Today's COPS Incident

[Zaac]

I've watched the new angle as well and I don't see any kick. She flails around a little bit when he grabs her but that's it. Would she still have deserved it if she cracked her skull open or broken her neck on the floor? Goodness gracious people. A proportional response and maybe even finding a patient level headed solution should have carried the day. What she deserved was to be cited for her actions not rough handled. There are ways to properly secure someone. Does anybody here honestly think he was trained to upend her chair and toss her across the room. A lot of people sure enjoy watching the police hurt people.

And I have to wonder why folks think it's okay to treat someone like this? Yet we keep seeing it justified again and again in situations dealing with something just trivial and foolish. And for a class that wasn't supposed to have any phones, there sure was a lot of angles. I'm just saying.

 

[poncho]

Anyone think it's odd that the police are allowed to treat our children like this but if we treat them the same it's a crime and the "authorities" can take them away from us?

Have you guys heard the latest yet? The police are whining about the "YouTube effect". They're claiming that being under constant surveillance by citizens is making them less aggressive in their duties.

These are the same people that are doing everything they can to keep us all under constant surveillance.

Am I allowed to use the word hypocrisy in this context mods?

 

[righteousdude2]

I thought someone would post this. The cop should be fired and the teacher right along with him. There should be a lawsuit against the administration and the school system.

This is one of those textbook things that you DO NOT do.

The administration should know, that before you get a resource officer involved, that you call mama and daddy or whomever the guardian is. There are so many OTHER layers(Principal, counselors,etc.) that a teacher is supposed to go through before getting a resource officer involved.

I'm embarassed for the cop, the school and anybody associated with this.

but this is part of the training gone crazy that we were talking about. Rather than try to de-escalate a situation, today's cops come in thinking that their badges allow them to treat people any kind of way.

Notrial. Just write the family a large check and call it a day.

More of the same. It is getting old.

 

[righteousdude2]

I've watched the new angle as well and I don't see any kick. She flails around a little bit when he grabs her but that's it. Would she still have deserved it if she cracked her skull open or broken her neck on the floor? Goodness gracious people. A proportional response and maybe even finding a patient level headed solution should have carried the day. What she deserved was to be cited for her actions not rough handled. There are ways to properly secure someone. Does anybody here honestly think he was trained to upend her chair and toss her across the room. A lot of people sure enjoy watching the police hurt people.

Wrong again .... hypotheticals are the best you can put forth. Well, what if the girl had stabbed the cop in his neck with a pencil ?

The facts is she was not hurt in any way. Just her pride, too bad.

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

More of the same. It is getting old.

I totally agree. The kind of hyped up police action that Zaac describes is getting very old. The police task should be to de-escalate the situation, not escalate.

I appreciate the posts made here by members who emphasis the positive police actions. It reminds us of how it should and can be done.

 

[Rob_BW]

The officer should have already been fired considering past history, and the only reason he probably hasn't been is because of the union.

Fired over instances that did not hold up in a court of law, or fired over the case still pending?

 

[annsni]

What is sad is that this was the third person to try to get this girl out of the classroom. During this time, the entire class was not being educated. They lost learning time because of the selfishness of this girl. The cop asked her to get out of her seat and she refused. He pulled her up and she pulled the desk with her. If this were my child, not only would I let her sit in jail for a while but she'd be in some sort of treatment facility when she got out. Seriously - How many of us even just picked up a toddler having a temper tantrum and it would look similar to this?

 

[Zaac]

What is sad is that this was the third person to try to get this girl out of the classroom.

It could have been the fifteenth person and it would not have warranted that kind of treatment. The young lady apparently wasn't even on the phone at the time. The teacher WAS teaching until the officer came in and disrupted the class.

During this time, the entire class was not being educated.

She can share the blame for that with the teacher and the officer.

They lost learning time because of the selfishness of this girl.

And the teacher and the officer.

The cop asked her to get out of her seat and she refused.

And? Refusing to get out of your seat is now license for a cop to put his arm around your neck, slam you to the floor and then throw you across the room?

He pulled her up and she pulled the desk with her.

You let me know the next time you're okay with a cop pulling you up by your neck.

If this were my child, not only would I let her sit in jail for a while but she'd be in some sort of treatment facility when she got out. Seriously - How many of us even just picked up a toddler having a temper tantrum and it would look similar to this?

You have gone over the deep end. If you've been picking toddlers up by their neck and slamming them on the floor and then slinging them across the room, you need to be locked up just as the officer does. And I guarantee if this had been your child, your response would be completely different.

I do wonder where all the Violence against Women groups are in this. They've been very quiet. Where is NOW and the others?

 

[Use of Time]

What is sad is that this was the third person to try to get this girl out of the classroom. During this time, the entire class was not being educated. They lost learning time because of the selfishness of this girl. The cop asked her to get out of her seat and she refused. He pulled her up and she pulled the desk with her. If this were my child, not only would I let her sit in jail for a while but she'd be in some sort of treatment facility when she got out. Seriously - How many of us even just picked up a toddler having a temper tantrum and it would look similar to this?

I can safely say I have never upended my toddler's high chair while she was having a temper tantrum causing her to go backwards and risk busting her head open or causing a neck injury and I also never dragged her across the room afterwards.

Let's get this out of the way. Nobody is saying that the girl isn't a problem or deserved to be disciplined or cited. Not one person. That is a given. Not complying with the police doesn't make it open season though. I'll say the kids watching got a pretty good education though while watching that craziness.

 

[poncho]

What's crazy is that same cop would arrest any one of us for doing the same thing to our own kid.

And the people who are defending the cop now would be defending him then.

 

[NaasPreacher (C4K)]

I work part time with some pretty tough teenagers in one to the roughest parts of Dublin as a literacy tutor. We often have discipline issues on a regular basis, but not once in 13 years have we had to resort to this kind of action. We have been able to talk the kids back from the edge instead of pushing them over the edge. I just can't see the justification for this kind of action unless the girl had actually pulled a weapon on the officer.

 

[poncho]

It's all part of training us up in the American police state. The kids are treated more like inmates than students now.

We're either drugging the kids or beating them into submission or both. This will either produce a generation of sheepish zombie citizens or what the Southern Poverty Law Center likes to call "extremists".

 

[InTheLight]

The cop asked her to get out of her seat and she refused. He pulled her up and she pulled the desk with her.

Where are people seeing this? The cop grabs her left wrist and pulls it off of the desk. In the struggle she puts her left hand under the desk all the while the cop is holding onto to her wrist. Then he starts to lift her and the desk up and backwards and see tries to punch the cop. At no point is she clutching onto the desk with either hand.

If this were my child, not only would I let her sit in jail for a while but she'd be in some sort of treatment facility when she got out. Seriously - How many of us even just picked up a toddler having a temper tantrum and it would look similar to this?

I hope no one has ever thrown their toddler around like this--like a rag doll. I never have done so.

 

[poncho]

If you treated your teenager like this officer Ben Fields who received the Richland School District Two Culture of Excellence Award from the Lonnie B. Nelson Elementary School in 2014.

Would arrest you and haul you off to jail. The CPS would take your kid away place them in a foster home and probably force them to take drugs until they became the submissive brain dead citizen the authoritarians would like us all to be.

 

[annsni]

It could have been the fifteenth person and it would not have warranted that kind of treatment. The young lady apparently wasn't even on the phone at the time. The teacher WAS teaching until the officer came in and disrupted the class.

Oh gosh - I'm sorry!! I didn't realize that she was just sitting in class being taught, doing nothing wrong at all! From what I have read from new sources, she was on the phone, the teacher stopped teaching and asked her to get off the phone, she said "no", and from that point on the teaching was no longer going on. Every other student in that class was being denied an education because she refused to listen to the teacher and it had to escalate through 3 people before she was removed from the classroom.

She can share the blame for that with the teacher and the officer.



And the teacher and the officer.

Excuse me? She chose to disrupt the class and it's the teacher and officer's fault? Interesting.

And? Refusing to get out of your seat is now license for a cop to put his arm around your neck, slam you to the floor and then throw you across the room?

Hmm - She fought him. He went to pull her out of the chair (realize that he asked her to get up and she refused) and she fought him, knocking over the chair and he pulled her away from that area to be able to get her to a safer place where he could get her on the ground and handcuffed without injuring the other children.

You let me know the next time you're okay with a cop pulling you up by your neck.

He didn't do that. He pulled her up by her upper arm and outside left leg pants after he initially asked her to get up, she refused, he took her arm to pull her out of the chair and she started fighting.

You have gone over the deep end. If you've been picking toddlers up by their neck and slamming them on the floor and then slinging them across the room, you need to be locked up just as the officer does. And I guarantee if this had been your child, your response would be completely different.

Hmm - I have picked up a toddler out of a high chair and had them throw such a fit that the high chair went flying. I fortunately was able to have a good grip on their whole body so I could prevent them from falling but had that child been bigger, I very well could have lost my grip on the child and they had fallen.

I do wonder where all the Violence against Women groups are in this. They've been very quiet. Where is NOW and the others?

They probably saw the video and see what I see - a cop trying to take an adult (she is 18 years old) into custody and them resisting arrest.

 

[annsni]

Where are people seeing this? The cop grabs her left wrist and pulls it off of the desk. In the struggle she puts her left hand under the desk all the while the cop is holding onto to her wrist. Then he starts to lift her and the desk up and backwards and see tries to punch the cop. At no point is she clutching onto the desk with either hand.

How does the cop lift the desk? I don't see him grabbing it.

 

[poncho]

EXCLUSIVE: Army veteran recalls rough encounter with deputy Ben Fields, now under fire for slamming student

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...encounter-sc-dep-ben-fields-article-1.2412418

Arrest of girl who texted in class prompts civil rights case

Richland County Sheriff Leon Lott suspended Senior Deputy Ben Fields without pay, and said what he did at Spring Valley High School in Columbia made him want to "throw up."

http://bigstory.ap.org/77e7595e5d3c4c678212fd21f1036776

 

[InTheLight]

How does the cop lift the desk? I don't see him grabbing it.

He's clutching the girl's left wrist to immobilize her. She sticks her hand under the desk. He lifts her up by the neck with his right arm and lifts up the desk (while holding her left wrist) with his left arm.

 

[carpro]

How

Yep, there will be the "she deserved it" camp and "nice takedown, beautiful style points", or "they're just doing what they're trained to do" and then there will be the "Why does a grown man have to beat up a teenaged girl?"

The sad thing is that someone can post one of these incidents almost every day. I've already reached my tipping point. The cops are just too darn quick to use force when other methods would work.

Solution?

How do you propose they get this girl out of the classroom and stop her disrupting everyone else's education?

 

[Zaac]

Oh gosh - I'm sorry!! I didn't realize that she was just sitting in class being taught, doing nothing wrong at all! From what I have read from new sources, she was on the phone, the teacher stopped teaching and asked her to get off the phone, she said "no", and from that point on the teaching was no longer going on. Every other student in that class was being denied an education because she refused to listen to the teacher and it had to escalate through 3 people before she was removed from the classroom.

Look at the video when the officer comes in. The teacher was still teaching. Every student in the class was being denied an education when the officer entered and slammed her onto the floor and then slung her across said floor. In the midst of this escalation, this could have been solved with one call to her parents. Or the teacher or an administrator dealing with her and her parents in the principal's office after the class .

Excuse me? She chose to disrupt the class and it's the teacher and officer's fault? Interesting.

Yep. She wasn't disrupting the class when the officer came in. It was the officer causing the disruption at this point. And the teacher was at fault for letting him do what he did.

Hmm - She fought him.

You're a woman. Some guy starts pulling on you and puts his arm around your neck, and I'll bet you try to fight too.

He went to pull her out of the chair (realize that he asked her to get up and she refused) and she fought him,

I'll say again, the next time some guy starts to pull you up by your neck, please report back and let us know how you did nothing. Or better yet, have someone send photos of your dead or paralyzed body. Nobody with good sense is gonna sit still and allow someone to yank them around by their neck

knocking over the chair

He picked her and the chair up and slammed her backwards.

and he pulled her away from that are

Are you blind? He slung her across the floor.

a to be able to get her to a safer place where he could get her on the ground and handcuffed without injuring the other children.

Just a silly comment in lieu of what people can plainly see.

He didn't do that. He pulled her up by her upper arm and outside left leg pants after he initially asked her to get up, she refused, he took her arm to pull her out of the chair and she started fighting.

You either wear trifocals and can't see straight or you're willfully being ignorant of what that video shows.

Hmm - I have picked up a toddler out of a high chair and had them throw such a fit that the high chair went flying. I fortunately was able to have a good grip on their whole body so I could prevent them from falling but had that child been bigger, I very well could have lost my grip on the child and they had fallen.

You're continuing to sound silly. Ain't nobody yanking any toddler up by the neck and slamming him on the floor and then slinging the toddler across the floor. If you've done that, you need to be in a cell right next to this officer.

They probably saw the video and see what I see - a cop trying to take an adult (she is 18 years old) into custody and them resisting arrest.

And there we have the mote excuse. She was resisting arrest. At what point did you hear him place her under arrest? This seems to be the MO of the militarized police. Get physical with them so that they respond likewise and then you can claim they were resisting arrest before you shot them dead on the spot.

The American public is no longer falling for it.