Yeah, I have no problem with them physically removing her from the classroom. That isn't the problem. It's just the ridiculously heavy handed way in which it was done. This way of thinking that "you defy me, now I can do whatever I feel like to you and you are just going to have to sit there and take it" mentality has got to stop.
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Today's COPS Incident
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Yeah, I have no problem with them physically removing her from the classroom. That isn't the problem. It's just the ridiculously heavy handed way in which it was done. This way of thinking that "you defy me, now I can do whatever I feel like to you and you are just going to have to sit there and take it" mentality has got to stop.
Now you're dodging the issue. Come on. You delight in second guessing every move by a cop.
Now when you have the chance to step up and say how you would handle it if it doesn't go as planned, like a cop has to, you wimp out.
I'm in good company with this incident.
“The maneuver that he used was not based on the training or was acceptable,” Lott said of Senior Deputy Ben Fields, who had worked as an officer at Spring Valley High School in Columbia for seven years. “That is not proper technique and should not be used in law enforcement.”
Apparently you want me to construct a decision tree flow chart and cover every single possible contingency.
.I want you to tell us how you would handle the situation if it doesn't go as planned. But you won't because you can't. You don't have a clue.
So, yes, You're in good company with the no solution 2nd guessers.
Yes, and do it in three seconds or less.
Too late!
Now you have some idea what a cop faces.
I was the first to say I thought the cop was way too heavy handed. I think there were other ways to approach the problem. But I wasn't there. I was sitting in my nice safe living room watching the video over and over again and making my judgement over a time period several orders of magnitude greater than the cop had to work with.
Had I been the Sheriff I would not have fired him. I would have transferred him to the County Jail and let him deal with hardened criminals for a couple years to teach him some perspective, not to mention humility.
But Sheriffs are elected officials. In order to get reelected he has to pander to the community now and then. It is the name of the game in American politics.
I've already answered with several alternative methods.
Yes, but the question was, what would you do when those alternative plans went wrong? Then what?
Yes, and do it in three seconds or less.
Too late!
Now you have some idea what a cop faces.
No he doesn't. Not a clue. Split second life and death decisions are beyond his ken.
He has to make all his decisions after watching a video over and over again.
Zaac
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Precisely.
Surely you can think of something that doesn't end with flipping and tossing a girl around a classroom.
Dunno. Maybe you should post it. I'm getting a lot of flak.
Not according to your earlier "solutions". Using force of any kind wasn't one of them.
The question was not, "what can I think of." The question was, "what would you do if it went wrong?" Why do you keep dodging the question?
Zaac
Well-Known Member
I think they have every right to still suspend her for having the phone out in class. But again, the teacher and the administrators could have dealt with that without getting the officer involved. Let her know that if she didn't get up and leave the class with the administrator that she was going to be suspended or expelled. And if she refused to leave, have the teacher escort the rest of the students to the library or elsewhere in the building. And let her know that she can stay right where she is until her parents get there to take her home.
Now because somebody is is putting it into the minds of officers around the country to use militarized techniques when dealing with anyone, and they haven't figured out yet that you can't treat people just any kind of way in non-life threatening situations, the officer has lost his job and can't continue to coach either. And over what? A stupid cell phone.
poncho
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“If you’re not catching flak, you’re not over the target.”
I'm sure he can, but you have yet to tell us what YOU would do if all your other "solutions" failed to get her to leave the class.
Zaac
Well-Known Member
Right. You still don't.