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Tone Deaf Biden

Adonia

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Joe Biden has had the wrong opinion on just about all foreign policy issues for the last 30 years. Not only is he an idiot, he is creepy. The way he has fondled numerous women in public view is disturbing. Joe.jpg
 

FollowTheWay

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An article written by an idiot. "Like fully automatic" and "fully automatic" are not the same. Do you know what fully automatic is? You are posting links and I am the person who kept our dept. m16a1, m16a2, and m4 rifles running for years. A bump stock is in my opinion a piece of garbage I could build in 15 minutes. Now, if you want to legally run fast, binary trigger is the way to go. It is still not fully auto.
OK. AS I said, I'm not an expert on guns. But the gun the mass murderer used in Las Vegas was fast enough to murder 26 people and injure 20 in 10 min.
A timeline of Stephen Paddock's last 12 months - CNN

10:05 p.m.
Paddock smashes out two windows of his suite with a hammer, then opens fire
at the 22,000 concertgoers below. The shots are caught on closed-circuit television from the concert venue. Concertgoers, confused at first, soon scatter in panic.
10:12 p.m.
Two Las Vegas police officers make it to the 31st floor of the Mandalay Bay after working their way up the building. One radios in: "I'm inside the Mandalay Bay on the 31st floor, I can hear automatic fire coming from one floor ahead... one floor above us."
10:15 p.m.
Paddock fires his final shots
, which are recorded on an officer's bodycam.

This is the statistic I'm concerned about.
 

Reynolds

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OK. AS I said, I'm not an expert on guns. But the gun the mass murderer used in Las Vegas was fast enough to murder 26 people and injure 20 in 10 min.
A timeline of Stephen Paddock's last 12 months - CNN

10:05 p.m.
Paddock smashes out two windows of his suite with a hammer, then opens fire
at the 22,000 concertgoers below. The shots are caught on closed-circuit television from the concert venue. Concertgoers, confused at first, soon scatter in panic.
10:12 p.m.
Two Las Vegas police officers make it to the 31st floor of the Mandalay Bay after working their way up the building. One radios in: "I'm inside the Mandalay Bay on the 31st floor, I can hear automatic fire coming from one floor ahead... one floor above us."
10:15 p.m.
Paddock fires his final shots
, which are recorded on an officer's bodycam.

This is the statistic I'm concerned about.
How many would he have killed had he flown his plane into the crowd? My hunting rifle is my former sniper rifle. 300 win. Mag. Bolt action. Not an "assault rifle" by anyone's definition. Its basically an extremely accurate, heavy, hunting rifle. I guarantee you had I gone all ape fool and decided to fire into that crowd, I could have easily topped 100. Shooting was the stupid way to carry out that act. Thousands of casualties could have bee inflicted using other, more simple methods.
 

Don

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Can a 'bump stock' make a AR-15 fire full-auto like a machine gun? (Yes. And it's relatively cheap, pretty easy, and completely legal)
Can a bump stock make an AR-15 fire like a machine gun? (Yes. And it's cheap, easy and legal to do)
From the article you linked to:
A bump-firing stock "allows you to shoot as fast as you want to", explains Jeremiah Cottle, inventor of the name brand Slide Fire stock. "You hold your finger on the trigger rest and push forward to fire the gun," Cottle said in 2011 interview, adding that, while not technically automatic, the device makes it possible to "shoot one round, two rounds, three rounds, 15 rounds or a full magazine."

Out of the box, do bump-fire stocks turn AR-15s into machine guns? Sort of. The accessory certainly increases rate of fire out of the box. But the stock can wear out the mechanics of a gun, like snapping the firing pin that was designed for semi-automatic fire.
The author of the article contradicts himself every other paragraph.
 

Don

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I don't know much about guns. I would call an AR-15 an assault rifle (semi-automatic). With a bump stock it's fully automatic as I understand it.
The problem is with specifically identifying the AR-15 as an assault weapon. ANY weapon used to inflict damage on groups of people should be considered an assault weapon. But that includes knives, swords, cars, trucks, etc., etc.
Somebody took a hard right on this thread on abortion. I made the point that murdering people after birth is a pro-life issue as well. Do you think mass murders could kill as many people with a shot gun? If that's not an issue for you why not ban them? I consider mass murders and the number of murders and suicides committed using guns in the U.S.a real issue. People talk about murders but suicides are a gun issue too. Do you think there would be as many suicides if guns weren't as prevalent? Think about killing yourself with a knife or running your car into a wall. I have a friend who put a gun in his mouth and pulled the trigger. Much easier with a gun.
Here's the fallacy with your argument: European countries that have strict gun laws, still have mass murders committed with guns.

The restriction on the firearms hasn't stopped the problem. Lessened it, yes.

I had a student worker two years ago who came to me and said he was thinking about committing suicide. I took him to the proper authority, and we got him to the local mental health clinic. He was doing better; but then at Thanksgiving, he took a rope and hung himself from a tree in the woods.

The problem wasn't the rope, or his access to the rope.
 

Rob_BW

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The distinguishing feature of an assault rifle is that it fires an intermediate cartidge (like an M4 in 5.56x45 or AKM in 7.63x39), in contrast to a main battle rifle which fires a larger round (like an FAL in 7.62x51 or M1 in 30-06).
 

FollowTheWay

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How many would he have killed had he flown his plane into the crowd? My hunting rifle is my former sniper rifle. 300 win. Mag. Bolt action. Not an "assault rifle" by anyone's definition. Its basically an extremely accurate, heavy, hunting rifle. I guarantee you had I gone all ape fool and decided to fire into that crowd, I could have easily topped 100. Shooting was the stupid way to carry out that act. Thousands of casualties could have bee inflicted using other, more simple methods.
Not a reasonable comparison. How many would hew have killed if he had dropped a bomb from a plane? What about all the other mass murderers I mentioned?
 

FollowTheWay

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The problem is with specifically identifying the AR-15 as an assault weapon. ANY weapon used to inflict damage on groups of people should be considered an assault weapon. But that includes knives, swords, cars, trucks, etc., etc.

Here's the fallacy with your argument: European countries that have strict gun laws, still have mass murders committed with guns.

The restriction on the firearms hasn't stopped the problem. Lessened it, yes.

I had a student worker two years ago who came to me and said he was thinking about committing suicide. I took him to the proper authority, and we got him to the local mental health clinic. He was doing better; but then at Thanksgiving, he took a rope and hung himself from a tree in the woods.

The problem wasn't the rope, or his access to the rope.
They have far fewer! Supporting all the needless guns that are in America is not a pro-life position. It's pro-death.
 

Bro. Curtis

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How many would he have killed had he flown his plane into the crowd? My hunting rifle is my former sniper rifle. 300 win. Mag. Bolt action. Not an "assault rifle" by anyone's definition. Its basically an extremely accurate, heavy, hunting rifle. I guarantee you had I gone all ape fool and decided to fire into that crowd, I could have easily topped 100. Shooting was the stupid way to carry out that act. Thousands of casualties could have bee inflicted using other, more simple methods.

A .300 Win mag is a heavy rifle. You sacrifice some meat but you usually drop the animal where it stands.
 

Reynolds

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A .300 Win mag is a heavy rifle. You sacrifice some meat but you usually drop the animal where it stands.
Yep. I lung shoot the deer. No meat loss to speak of. You don't want to shoot one in the shoulders with it. Throw 1/3rd of the deer away if you do.
 

Adonia

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Joe Biden is a good, decent man which I can't say about your leader Trump.

So you have no problem that he just can't seem to keep his hands to himself, that he cannot respect the personal space of the women he comes into contact with? You need to watch the video where I got the still picture I posted. Disturbing! A good and decent man? Sorry, I don't see it.

As for Donald Trump, the man is boorish and juvenile with his use of Twitter and the things he says on it. I cannot, nor would I defend him on that. He is no worse than all the other politicians in Washington (both Republicans and Democrats), who have soiled the institutions they belong to with their lies and sexual peccadillos. Surely you have heard in the last day or two that there is a Congressional slush fund that has paid out a reported 10 to 15 million dollars to settle sexual harassment claims. A pox on all their houses!
 
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