Tone Deaf Biden

[carpro]

Being pro-gun does not equal anti-life.

Exactly. It is silly to contend otherwise.

 

[FollowTheWay]

Rape rate in USA is exponentially higher than Canada. How do you blame that on guns?

I didn't know that. Why don't you provide us with the statistics? And BTW where did I ever blame rape crimes on guns? ( Quote my post in which I said that.

 

[FollowTheWay]

And still, you won't directly answer my question.

I'm not saying "one," and you know it. I'm saying, why punish the millions because of the few? But you know that, which is why you won't answer the question, and are resorting to histrionics.

Cars still kill more people per year than guns; and can even be used as a weapon of mass destruction (multiple killings/injuries/damage at once) -- despite our continuing and best efforts to make them safer, both through design and legal policy; but you're not crying out against them. And you call yourself pro-life?

I give up. Yours is a completely nonsensical argument. Cars?

 

[FollowTheWay]

Joe lets whatever is on his mind come out his mouth. That's just Joe being Joe. Out of respect, I won't post links, but just Google "Joe Biden profanity."

Google Trump profanity. You'll find this:

Donald Trump Keeps Cursing. Here's Why It Might Help Him

Many American politicians have used curse words, but few have done so the way Donald Trump does.


Past presidents have been known to use indecorous language in private talks with their advisors or unguarded moments that were caught on tape, but none have made such dramatic and repeated use of curse words in public events.

Donald Trump Keeps Cursing. Here's Why It Might Help Him

 

[Reynolds]

I didn't know that. Why don't you provide us with the statistics? And BTW where did I ever blame rape crimes on guns? ( Quote my post in which I said that.

You blame murder in USA on guns. You made a US, Canadian comparison. Rape is also higher in U. S. Its your faulty logic.

 

[FollowTheWay]

You blame murder in USA on guns. You made a US, Canadian comparison. Rape is also higher in U. S. Its your faulty logic.

Once again a ridiculous argument. baseball is more popular in the U.S. than Canada. Is that because we have more guns?

 

[Reynolds]

Once again a ridiculous argument. baseball is more popular in the U.S. than Canada. Is that because we have more guns?

You are the one who is making the ridiculous comparison.

 

[Don]

I give up. Yours is a completely nonsensical argument. Cars?

Nonsensical in what way? Your whole premise is that guns kill people; can you deny that cars kill people?

 

[FollowTheWay]

Nonsensical in what way? Your whole premise is that guns kill people; can you deny that cars kill people?

When cars are used as weapons as in the case of the woman murdered in Charlottesville by an Alt-Right supporter, I would classify then as weapons just like guns. In a similar way when airplanes are used to take down buildings as we were told happened on 9/11, they would be in the same category. How many times have cars and airplanes been used in this way as opposed to guns? To be fair, using this argument, we need to enact laws or strengthen existing laws, that are directed toward reducing the homicide/suicide results of using guns but do not affect the protection/sporting aspects. But to do that we would have to have a careful, rational discussion about guns in America, something the NRA has desperately blocked in the past. In the same way we need to determine the best way to prevent cars or trunks perhaps carrying explosives and hijacked aircraft from being used as weapons as well. We have seen this as concrete barriers are being put up around buildings that might be targets.

 

[Adonia]

When cars are used as weapons as in the case of the woman murdered in Charlottesville by an Alt-Right supporter, I would classify then as weapons just like guns. In a similar way when airplanes are used to take down buildings as we were told happened on 9/11, they would be in the same category. How many times have cars and airplanes been used in this way as opposed to guns? To be fair, using this argument, we need to enact laws or strengthen existing laws, that are directed toward reducing the homicide/suicide results of using guns but do not affect the protection/sporting aspects. But to do that we would have to have a careful, rational discussion about guns in America, something the NRA has desperately blocked in the past. In the same way we need to determine the best way to prevent cars or trunks perhaps carrying explosives and hijacked aircraft from being used as weapons as well. We have seen this as concrete barriers are being put up around buildings that might be targets.

What does suicide have to do with guns? Really, if someone wants to do themselves in, that's their business and believe me, those intent on taking their own lives will find a way to do it. Japan has the highest incidences of suicides and they do it without guns. This is far past the availability or non-availability of guns.

It's funny, most of the mass killings of late have been done by people who have followed the law. They got their guns legally, so more laws will simply not do the trick. Let's look at things like the ACLU and them suing governments to stop incarcerating mentally ill people. In big cities you see people all the time walking around and talking to themselves and before the ACLU lawsuit these people were committed to mental institutions. Thanks ACLU!

 

[Don]

When cars are used as weapons as in the case of the woman murdered in Charlottesville by an Alt-Right supporter, I would classify then as weapons just like guns. In a similar way when airplanes are used to take down buildings as we were told happened on 9/11, they would be in the same category. How many times have cars and airplanes been used in this way as opposed to guns?

According to your viewpoint, the use of one assault weapon to conduct mass killing, is one too many.

So how many airplanes have to be hijacked? How many cars or trucks have to be used, before we decide that's too many?

To be fair, using this argument, we need to enact laws or strengthen existing laws, that are directed toward reducing the homicide/suicide results of using guns but do not affect the protection/sporting aspects.

You really only need one: a law against murder, no matter what the weapon.

But of the hundreds of gun control laws we currently have, we still have murders.

How many laws will be enough?

But to do that we would have to have a careful, rational discussion about guns in America, something the NRA has desperately blocked in the past. In the same way we need to determine the best way to prevent cars or trunks perhaps carrying explosives and hijacked aircraft from being used as weapons as well. We have seen this as concrete barriers are being put up around buildings that might be targets.

Which is defensive, not preventive.

What is your solution to prevent such things?

 

[kyredneck]

The murder rate per 100.000 inhabitants is 4.88 in America

5 Devastating Facts About Black-on-Black Crime - Breitbart

Note fact #3.

 

[Reynolds]

5 Devastating Facts About Black-on-Black Crime - Breitbart

Note fact #3.

Yep. Saw it first hand for many years. The county I worked in was about 40% black. Our jail population was always about 90% black. We were not a very proactive agency. The vast majority of our arrests were complaint generated. The stat was definitely not due to L.E. bias. When I was running the Drug Task Force, the Sheriff stayed on me all the time about "please arrest more white people." I always said, "I try. I try." We couldn't work a white dealer without stumbling all over black dealers in the process of our investigation.

 

[carpro]

My AR 15 sitting quietly up against the wall. I looked at it and told it to go kill something.

Not a move. Next day. Same place same story.

I guess a real live person just has to pick it up and use it.

Imagine that.

 

[FollowTheWay]

What does suicide have to do with guns? Really, if someone wants to do themselves in, that's their business and believe me, those intent on taking their own lives will find a way to do it. Japan has the highest incidences of suicides and they do it without guns. This is far past the availability or non-availability of guns.

It's funny, most of the mass killings of late have been done by people who have followed the law. They got their guns legally, so more laws will simply not do the trick. Let's look at things like the ACLU and them suing governments to stop incarcerating mentally ill people. In big cities you see people all the time walking around and talking to themselves and before the ACLU lawsuit these people were committed to mental institutions. Thanks ACLU!

Most got their guns legally? I don't think so but maybe you can prove that. I agree with the ACLU on this point. Thje mentally ill need treatment not to be put in jail. Our country is woefully inadequate in helping mentally ill people and a lot of them wind up on the street.

 

[FollowTheWay]

According to your viewpoint, the use of one assault weapon to conduct mass killing, is one too many.

So how many airplanes have to be hijacked? How many cars or trucks have to be used, before we decide that's too many?


You really only need one: a law against murder, no matter what the weapon.

But of the hundreds of gun control laws we currently have, we still have murders.

How many laws will be enough?


Which is defensive, not preventive.

What is your solution to prevent such things?

This post states my view pretty well. I'm tired of this "discussion."

 

[FollowTheWay]

5 Devastating Facts About Black-on-Black Crime - Breitbart

Note fact #3.

You can tell how terrifically biased Breitbart is by looking at his Fact #4:

FACT 4. Chicago’s death toll is almost equal to that of both wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, combined.

There have been almost as many deaths in one American city as there have been in the two major wars carried out by the U.S. military this century.

Chicago’s death toll from 2001–November, 26 2015 stands at 7,401. The combined total deaths during Operation Iraqi Freedom (2003-2015: 4,815) and Operation Enduring Freedom/Afghanistan (2001-2015: 3,506), total 8,321.

ONLY AMERICAN LIVES COUNT!

Estimates of the casualties from the conflict in Iraq since 2003 (beginning with the 2003 US invasion of Iraq, and the ensuing occupation and insurgency) have come in many forms, and the accuracy of the information available on different types of Iraq War casualties varies greatly.

Official estimates of Iraq War casualties range from 110,000 to 460,000.[1] Other estimates, such as the 2006 Lancet study, and the 2007 Opinion Research Business survey, put the numbers as high as 650,000 and 1.2 million respectively.[1]

Over 111,000 Afghans, including civilians, soldiers and militants, are estimated to have been killed in the conflict.[1] The Cost of War project estimated that the number who have died through indirect causes related to the war may be as high 360,000 additional people based on a ratio of indirect to direct deaths in contemporary conflicts.[3] These numbers do not include those who have died in Pakistan.

 

[TCassidy]

Our country is woefully inadequate in helping mentally ill people and a lot of them wind up on the street.

Exactly! Rather than dealing with the actual problem, a sad lack of mental health care, the idiot Democrats keep trying to pass laws which take firearms out of the hands of law abiding, perfectly sane, citizens, which, of course, anyone with an IQ greater than his hat size knows is NOT THE PROBLEM!

 

[Don]

This post states my view pretty well. I'm tired of this "discussion."

First, you won't answer whether you'd take away all the knives from all members of your family, because of the actions of one.

Then you won't discuss other assault weapons.

And now, when I ask what your preventive solution would be, you're "tired of this 'discussion.'"

So be it.

 

[just-want-peace]

This was not a discussion. This was a liberal trying to put forth a totally inane, asinine, non-commonsense plea to achieve the impossible by doing the ridiculous.

Pity, but that’s their only known approach!