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[ONENESS]

Originally posted by DHK:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by ONENESS:

DHK, I cant believe you would actually say something like that. Where would you like us to go other than Acts?

Do you want Old Testement or New?

I can use almost every book in the bible that shows you gods Plan. Save a few. And if I studied them I could probably find it there too.

I can show you all through out the bible where God used, Blood, water, Spirit as a means to save his people.

Than do it ONENESS. Actually it was MEE, that my original challenge was issued to. But I doubt if you could do it either. All you do is beat around the bush. Show me the plan of salvation in the Book of Romans, a theological treatise on soteriology, the doctrine of salvation. Everything you need to know about salvation is contained within that book. Demonstrate the plan of salvation through that book. Use any other book if you want, EXCEPT the Book of ACTS. Why do you have to rely upon just one book such as the book of Acts? Because that is precisely what a cult does?
DHK</font>

Blood
Romans 5:9 Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through
him. (does this means there is nothing else to do?)

Confessing and Believing

Romans 10:9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. (does this mean there is nothing else to do?)

Calling

Romans 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. (does this mean there is nothing else to do?)

Baptisim
Romans 6:Know ye not that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death? Thefore we are buried with him by baptism into death; that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father even so we also should walkin newness of life. (Is this all that we must do?)

Spirit
Romans 8:9 But ye are not in the flehs but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of Dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ. He is none of his.

(Is there still more that we need to do?)

DHK, maybe I shouold Retract my previous statement. I should not say every book in the bible. But like I said before, we must use every book. They all go together.

But I should have said I can show you many diffrent examples where God Chose Blood, Water, Spirit as a means to salvation

Godbless

 

[ONENESS]

Originally posted by DHK:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by ONENESS:

The book of Romans was not written to the church of Rome to instruct them on how to be saved. Study to show your self approved and you will see what I am saying is truth. The Epistle that was written to the church of Rome was a letter that was written not to instruct salvation. These guys were already saved. It was a letter for instruction, just like all the other epistles.

It is with a quote like this, ONENESS, that you show your ignorance of the Bible. Are you not the one that said this, and I quote:

"Granny you really should not embarass people like that. Who ever wrote that is getting laughed at. Granny I hold you in contempt."

It seems like Granny knows her Bible a lot better than you do and what not make such naive and ridiculous statements as this. You are an embarassment to the board by your shallowness in Bible doctrine. Read the book of Romans for yourself in you have never read it before. It is a book of doctrine. It's theme is salvation. Whether or not it is written to believers or unbelievers is totally irrelevant. It was of course written to the believers at Rome. But the Epistle was a thesis on the subject of salvation through the blood of Christ, that salvation could come through faith alone, and not by works. Read and study Romans ONENESS! Or are you afraid of what you might find out!!!!!
DHK</font>

BLAH BLAH BLAH............Did you say something?????

 

[ONENESS]

Originally posted by DHK:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by ONENESS:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />I copied this from the link given by another reply. Guys this doesn't look exactly sound to me. Not only that but it approaches racism in the phrasology.

Are they going to try to tell me that the 12 were never Christian. Terminology aside, the word says "by their fruit you shall know them" and I'm pretty confident in my study of God's word that the 12 had pretty awesome fruit.

Where in the world did you get that from?</font>[/QUOTE]Yeah ONENESS, you copied it from Multimom. And in so doing have become just as evil and malicious. Check things out before blowing your stack.
DHK[/QB]</font>[/QUOTE]DHK, without getting mad I would like you to retract your previous statement. How do you know with what Attitude I asked this? Before you start makeing your attacks, make sure you know attitude behind the question.

IT was totally inocent.

 

[DHK]

Originally posted by Naomi:
Hi DHK,
Just out of curiosity...Have you read all through the site Granny posted? Do you agree with what this church is saying?
Naomi

I agree with most of what he says, though not everything. He makes some very good points, sometimes in a slightly crude way, but that just seems to be his styly of writing.
DHK

 

[ONENESS]

Originally posted by DHK:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by ONENESS:

Granny is this your church???

Why would anyone want to say what this man says. Acts 2:38 will send someone to hell. Is this really what you believe?

I doubt if it is Granny's church, (I don't know for sure), but it is an excellent article. Maybe if you read it without being so prejudiced you could learn something from it. Go back and study it some more. Try demonstrating the plan of salvation without the Book of Acts? Why can't you people do that? You might as well rip those other 65 books of the Bible right out of the covers of your Bible. Why not! you don't need them. Acts is all you need.
DHK</font>

DHK maybe I should ask you to try to demonstrate the plan of salvation without the book of Acts. YOU CANT DO IT. Neither can you do it with out any of the other books.

I cant explain salvation with out Romans, Hebrews, John......and fully understand it.
No one can, save God.

Godbless

 

[DHK]

Originally posted by ONENESS:

DHK, without getting mad I would like you to retract your previous statement. How do you know with what Attitude I asked this? Before you start makeing your attacks, make sure you know attitude behind the question.
IT was totally inocent.

Why should I retract unwarranted plagiarism pulled out of context that led to slander. Better be careful what you post.

 

[Brother Adam]

The only way I know how to sum up the past 21 pages:

wow.

Bro. Adam

 

[Naomi]

Originally posted by DHK:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Naomi:
Hi DHK,
Just out of curiosity...Have you read all through the site Granny posted? Do you agree with what this church is saying?
Naomi

I agree with most of what he says, though not everything. He makes some very good points, sometimes in a slightly crude way, but that just seems to be his styly of writing.
DHK</font>[/QUOTE]DHK,
I am shocked! I find that web site extremely offensive. I am surprised it is even allowed to be posted on this message board. It is no wonder it is such a small church, and not growing.
I have disagreed with certain doctrinal beliefs of churches, yet, I can stand firm in the fact that they are christians and true brother's and sister's in the Lord.
I can honestly say that this site has nothing to do with the same Jesus that I follow.
For anyone who is not a Christian who would read this, I would say to you that, the web-site posted, has nothing to do with Christianity.
Naomi very sad indeed!

 

[ONENESS]

Originally posted by Naomi:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by DHK:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Naomi:
Hi DHK,
Just out of curiosity...Have you read all through the site Granny posted? Do you agree with what this church is saying?
Naomi

I agree with most of what he says, though not everything. He makes some very good points, sometimes in a slightly crude way, but that just seems to be his styly of writing.
DHK</font>[/QUOTE]DHK,
I am shocked! I find that web site extremely offensive. I am surprised it is even allowed to be posted on this message board. It is no wonder it is such a small church, and not growing.
I have disagreed with certain doctrinal beliefs of churches, yet, I can stand firm in the fact that they are christians and true brother's and sister's in the Lord.
I can honestly say that this site has nothing to do with the same Jesus that I follow.
For anyone who is not a Christian who would read this, I would say to you that, the web-site posted, has nothing to do with Christianity.
Naomi very sad indeed!</font>[/QUOTE]Naomi, dont worry, DHK somehow got his feelings hurt. And he must be very angry too...... Its going to be ok DHK, This too shall pass.

Godspeed

 

[DHK]

Originally posted by Naomi:

I am shocked! I find that web site extremely offensive. I am surprised it is even allowed to be posted on this message board. It is no wonder it is such a small church, and not growing.

Naomi,
It's basic premise is that the Charismatic movement is not of God, and thus the "baptism of the Holy Spirit," as redefined by the Charismatics is not of God, and speaking in tongues is not of God. We have been saying that all along. He sets out to prove his statements in way that you are unaccustomed to. Most of what he says is not wrong. If you want to discuss "what shocks you," that might make for good discussion.
DHK

 

[Naomi]

[/qb][/QUOTE]Naomi,
It's basic premise is that the Charismatic movement is not of God, and thus the "baptism of the Holy Spirit," as redefined by the Charismatics is not of God, and speaking in tongues is not of God. We have been saying that all along. He sets out to prove his statements in way that you are unaccustomed to. Most of what he says is not wrong. If you want to discuss "what shocks you," that might make for good discussion.
DHK[/QB][/QUOTE]

It is not their beleifs in the "charismatic" movement that shocks me... What shocks me, is that you think they have anything to do with Christianity!
I agree that there is alot of "hype" in today's Charismatic teachings. There is emotionalism, some being tossed to and fro with every wind of doctrine, some, totally off the wall, and some, who are very godly, and sound christians.
I am not one to critisize anybody's ministries that I do not personally know. Or to look up web-sites that falsely portray, or quote out of context what a person has stated. I am very careful, lest I "touch one of God's annointed". Yet, I say, with all warning, to be careful of that web-site that was posted.
Naomi

 

[DHK]

Originally posted by Naomi:
It is not their beleifs in the "charismatic" movement that shocks me... What shocks me, is that you think they have anything to do with Christianity!

Unless you quote what they say, I don't know what you are referring to.
What I said personally, is that it is not of God. I am referring to the movement, and the gifts, and the experiences. They are not of God. I am not saying that there are no sincere Christians among the Charismatics. I never said that. I know that there are. But they are sincerely wrong in their theology.
Is it concerning what I said or what the site said that bothered you. Here is what the site said:

"Now, because the ministry of the Holy Spirit is to draw real Christians together, the modern Charismatic movement is the most dangerous movement possible, for it draws Christians together at the expense of the truth. You may as well lay it down and settle it in your heart. Any movement that gets Christians of different denominations together, at the expense of the Book that the Holy Spirit wrote, is Satanic. Any movement that expounds "love" among the brethren, while basing it all on an emotional experience, is a demoniac movement."

He uses fairly strong language. His basic premise is true. The Charismatic movement is one of the most dangerous movements in the world today, ultimately being used of the devil to promote a one world church, described in Revelation 17. It is a movement that puts its emotions and experiences of greater value and importance than the Word of God. It is totally ecumenical in that it encompasses almost all religions such as Mormons, Hindus, and Voodoo worshippers, which I have mentioned many times already. Is this any different than what I have been saying all along?
DHK

 

[DHK]

Originally posted by ONENESS:

But I should have said I can show you many diffrent examples where God Chose Blood, Water, Spirit as a means to salvation

I would like to see that ONENESS. In fact I would like to see just one time in all the Bible where it says you must be saved by blood, water and spirit. Where in the Bible does it say that. The Philippian jailor asked Paul and Silas, "What must I do to be saved?" They answered and said, "Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ and thou shalt be saved." Paul said, "For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord Jesus Christ shall be saved." I don't find any blood, water, and spirit in those verses. What you teach is heresy.

You listed some verse from Romans, which any person can do. But you did not connect them, did not explain them, did not tell how one could be saved using those verses. Therefore they are meaningless. You might as well as quoted the first six verses of the Song of Solomon. Show me, demonstrate to me the plan of salvation from the Book of Romans.
DHK

 

[Multimom]

DHK:

I had absolutely no intention of putting Granny in a bad light as I consider her a sister in Christ and a friend, and at present I am interceeding for her and her son in prayer.

My point is that the author is not just crude, I found him to be down right offensive. He referred to the "circumcised, pork-obstaining etc Jew thing more than once and in this country this considered to be anti-semetic and more than just offensive. Its down right racist.

 

[Naomi]

Originally posted by DHK:

The Charismatic movement is one of the most dangerous movements in the world today, ultimately being used of the devil to promote a one world church, described in Revelation 17.
DHK[/QB]

Like I said, it has nothing to do with their interpretation of the "Charismatic Movement."
To be well-informed, you need to go back and read their various beliefs.
Naomi

 

[Clint Kritzer]

Okay, folks. It's getting a bit out of hand. Please keep in mind that we should be imitators of Christ and that the attitudes that are posted publicly here are read all over the world by believers and non-believers alike.

I'm going to close this one. As always, I'm sure a new one will open up on the exact same subject again within a few moments. I implore all of you to seperate the subject from the person and go back to friendly debate done in love and charity.

Clint Kritzer
Moderator