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Top Ten Reasons Why Men Should Not Be Ordained

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annsni

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That's true but having seen her on TV see doesn't only speak to women. She also teaches men. What do you think of that?

I believe it's wrong - but I do believe that her teaching is directed towards women and she is directly speaking to women. If I teach a group of women and it is recorded and put online, and men listen to it, am I sinning? I do not believe so. I am teaching women. I believe it is the same with Beth but I'm not positive since, as I said, I'm not watching her.
 

Jerome

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Passion is not segregated. Louie Giglio and thousands of other men and women sat under Mrs. Moore's teaching there. And she was invited back this year.
 

annsni

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I like this thinking. One of the worst injustices in churches today is that half of those called aren;t allowed to do what God calls them to do.

No - Those who are called are allowed to do exactly what God calls them to do. He does not call anyone to disobedience. I'm still waiting for Biblical support for a woman pastor. I've not seen one yet.
 

Thinkingstuff

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No - Those who are called are allowed to do exactly what God calls them to do. He does not call anyone to disobedience. I'm still waiting for Biblical support for a woman pastor. I've not seen one yet.

Nor will you find one. Usually, those who allow for women pastors make it a cultural issue.
 

nodak

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Um, no they don't.

Usually they appeal to scriptures that tell a woman how to dress while preaching.

Now that may or may not translate to being a pastor.

But it sure isn't an appeal to culture.
 

Thinkingstuff

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Um, no they don't.

Usually they appeal to scriptures that tell a woman how to dress while preaching.

Now that may or may not translate to being a pastor.

But it sure isn't an appeal to culture.
What I mean is that People who allow for woman preachers will state that certain bible passages that they deem are masonginistic are that way because of the culture of that time. Not that the apostles actually prohibit women from being leaders of the Church but were addressing the culture of that day. That culture is no longer relevant in todays church and therefore women have as much right to church leadership as the men. Thus when the scriptures say Older women should teach only the younger women they will cite how in that culture women couldn't teach men but the application is no longer relevant. Then they point to people like Dorcus etc....
 

annsni

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Um, no they don't.

Usually they appeal to scriptures that tell a woman how to dress while preaching.

Now that may or may not translate to being a pastor.

But it sure isn't an appeal to culture.

Can you show me where the Bible tells a woman how to dress for preaching? Because, having read the Bible for 40 years, that's a TOTAL new one for me.
 

Jerome

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excerpt from Walter and Olive Liefeld, "A Difficult Journey," in How I Changed My Mind About Women in Leadership: Compelling Stories From Prominent Evangelicals (2010):

"Perhaps the first one that troubled Walt was that those (including himself in those early days) who insisted on women’s head covering also thought that women should not be speaking publicly in church. Yet 1 Corinthians 11:2–16 makes it clear that the head coverings were to be worn when women prayed or prophesied. If they were not speaking, why wear a head covering? The answer that people gave when we inquired about this was that women were indeed praying, even though silently, and therefore should wear the head covering. The next logical question was, “But how can they prophesy silently?”"
 
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annsni

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excerpt from Walter and Olive Liefeld, "A Difficult Journey," in How I Changed My Mind About Women in Leadership: Compelling Stories From Prominent Evangelicals (2010):

"Perhaps the first one that troubled Walt was that those (including himself in those early days) who insisted on women’s head covering also thought that women should not be speaking publicly in church. Yet 1 Corinthians 11:2–16 makes it clear that the head coverings were to be worn when women prayed or prophesied. If they were not speaking, why wear a head covering? The answer that people gave when we inquired about this was that women were indeed praying, even though silently, and therefore should wear the head covering. The next logical question was, “But how can they prophesy silently?”"

So because women can pray and prophesy in church, they can now be pastors? Wow - THAT is a stretch!
 

Iconoclast

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It also says women should wear a head covering in church. Does your church require that? To be consistent, it should.

The scriptures are not a multiple choice i believe this but not that.You speak as if the teaching and commands are suggestions or accesories that we pick and choose.
 

lilyvalley

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The scriptures are not a multiple choice i believe this but not that.You speak as if the teaching and commands are suggestions or accesories that we pick and choose.

I think actually it's a matter of interpretation, not just choosing what to beleive and what to not believe.
 

DHK

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The scriptures are not a multiple choice i believe this but not that.You speak as if the teaching and commands are suggestions or accesories that we pick and choose.
There are many churches that do. The question is not: Does your church do it? But rather, Should your church be doing it? If this command is a Biblical command then the answer is yes. Do we follow American tradition or the Bible, which one?
 

preacher4truth

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There are many churches that do. The question is not: Does your church do it? But rather, Should your church be doing it? If this command is a Biblical command then the answer is yes. Do we follow American tradition or the Bible, which one?

Having lived in Canada, and knowing its liberal culture, does one follow Canadian culture, or Scripture?

- Peace
 
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