Tracing your Ancestry to Adam

>>>>>I don't "contend" anything, but yes, it's very likely. However, the Russians don't all come from Magog. The Muscovites come from his brother Meshech.<<<<<<<

I think you have been reading questionable histories. There is a vast span of time that has no written record, so your claims cannot be accurate.

 

Any speculation on the origins of the Irish people is merely speculation. Since your speculation leads you to Magog then you should accept that as your position.

Since I see no profit in speculative debate, I depart on that note

 

I have traced one line of my family back to 12th century England, but further back than that they were Danish Vikings, not Irishmen. In England they became noblemen (some having been in the service of the nobility). Since I haven't been able to trace other lines back except one to Wales, and another to Scotland, I don't see how all of them could have come from one person of nobility in England. And how would that explain my Cherokee ancestry?

 

Hey Mike, I can trace my family tree all the way back to Adam by going to the book of Genesis. We all came from Adam and Eve.

 

sounds really neat but I'm not sure I believe it simply cause history and records of history gets jumbled or lost over the years

 

http://asis.com/~stag/migratio.html

http://www.prepare-ye-the-way.com/celts01.htm

 

Mike, I am descended from Horham Jernegan of Suffolk, Eng. who married Sybilla. He was one of two brothers that King Canute gave large tracts of land to in Suffolk and Norfolk. Horham died in 1182 and his descendants keep the land which was passed to the 11th. Baronet's daughter upon his death. The Baronetcy (which began with Sir Henry Jerningham in 1621) became extinct upon the death of Sir William Henry Stafford Jerningham (11th. Baronet) upon his death in 1935, due to the fact that he died without a male offspring.

The name was changed to Jerningham when Viscount Henry Jernegan of Costessy in Norfolk and Huntingfield and Wingfield in Suffolk went into the service of Mary Tudor (dau. of Henry VIII). He felt like this would distinguish his line from the Jernegan line. His wife was Frances Baynham, dau. of Sir George Baynahm. Sir Henry declared for Queen Mary in 1553 and was made Vice-Chamberlain, Captain of the Guard, Master of the Horse and the Household and a member of the Privy Council. He obtained much wealth during his service but lost most of it when Mary died in 1558 and Elizabeth became queen. He and his family were Catholics and it was a bar to any favor during Elizabeth's reign. Sir Henry's son Henry was the 1st. Baronet Jerningham. Sir Henry's grandson, Sir Thomas Jerningham (Knight) was my first American ancestor. He changed his name back to Jernegan when he came to Nansemond Co. Virginia in 1635.

The only white man to marry into my Cherokee line was my great grandfather, Soloman Scroggins, who was killed in the Civic War in Glasgow, KY in 1862, just 22 days before my grandmother was born.

 

http://asis.com/~stag/migratio.html


</font>[/QUOTE]This same site also claims that the Davidic Covenant is fulfilled in the United States in the "Royal Presidents."

http://asis.com/~stag/uspres.html

and that the Great Seal of the United States is Jewish:

http://asis.com/~stag/seal.html

Same old attempts to claim some kind of special Divine favour for Britian and the US.

 

&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;Hey Mike, I can trace my family tree all the way back to Adam by going to the book of Genesis. We all came from Adam and Eve.&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;

Do you mean that you know the names of all the persons in between you and Adam and Eve? I bet you cannot tell us. I have never seen that done but maybe you will be the first. Where were your ancestors living in the year 500 B.C for instance, and what were their names? I can answer that for you. They were in Northern Europe mostly and they were uneducated barbarians who left no written records. I don't say that to belittle you because my ancestors were probably the same people, but the records just don't exist to be able to support the claim that their names are known. Where were your ancestors in 500 A.D.? Most likely still in Northern Europe, still uneducated and still barbarians. Not until the 1200s or the 1300s are there written records that begin, just begin, to permit some tracing of ancestry.

 

The author of an Encyclopedia Britanica article on Scythians does not claim that they were Israelites, as was posted by LadyEagle. There is a lot of uncertainty about these matters. Here is what it says:

&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;The affinities of this tribe have been sought in various directions, and the evidence suggests that it was itself of mixed blood. We know that in the 2nd century A. D., when the steppes were dominated by the Sauromatae (q.v.), the majority of the barbarian names in the inscriptions of Olbia, Tanais, and Panticapaeum were Iranian, and can infer that the Sauromatae spoke an Iranian language. Pliny speaks of their descent from the Medes. Now the Sauromatae are represented as half-caste Scyths speaking a corrupt variety of Scythian. Presumably, therefore, the Scyths also spoke an Iranian dialect. But of the Scythic words preserved by Herodotus some are Iranian, others, especially the names of deities, have found no satisfactory explanation in any Indo-European language. Indeed they rather suggest a Ugrian origin. Nevertheless, the general opinion has been that the Scyths were Iranian. The present writer believes that they were a horde which came down from upper Asia, conquered an Iranian-speaking people, and in time adopted the speech of its subjects. The settled Scythians would be the remains of this Iranian population, or the different tribes of them, may have been connected with their neighbors beyond Scythian dominion &lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;

 

This is from "Wired Magazine" and is about the DNA work of Dr. Bryan Sikes, an Oxford Professor. I had my DNA done by his lab and found that it is almost identical to the Ice Man of the Alps who lived about 4 to 5 thousand years ago.

01/11/2002 : DNA as Destiny - WIRED Magazine
From my grandfather Duncan, an avid genealogist, I already know that my paternal ancestors came from Perth in south-central Scotland. We can trace the name back to an Anglican priest murdered in Glasgow in 1680 by a mob of Puritans. His six sons escaped and settled in Shippensburg, Pennsylvania, where their descendants lived until my great-great-grandfather moved west to Kansas City in the 1860s.

In an Oxford restaurant, over a lean steak and a heart-healthy merlot, I talk with geneticist Bryan Sykes, a linebacker-sized 55-year-old with a baby face and an impish smile. He's a molecular biologist at the university's Institute of Molecular Medicine and the author of the best-selling Seven Daughters of Eve. Sykes first made headlines in 1994 when he used DNA to directly link a 5,000-year-old body discovered frozen and intact in an Austrian glacier to a 20th-century Dorset woman named Marie Mosley. This stunning genetic connection between housewife and hunter-gatherer launched Sykes' career as a globe-trotting genetic gumshoe. In 1995, he confirmed that bones dug up near Ekaterinburg, Russia, were the remains of Czar Nicholas II and his family, by comparing the body's DNA with that of the czar's living relatives, including Britain's Prince Philip. Sykes debunked explorer Thor Heyerdahl's Kon-Tiki theory by tracing Polynesian genes to Asia and not the Americas, and similarly put the lie to the Clan of the Cave Bear hypothesis, which held that the Neanderthal interbred with our ancestors, the Cro-Magnon, when the two subspecies coexisted in Europe 15,000 years ago.

Sykes explains to me that a bit of DNA called mtDNA is key to his investigations. A circular band of genes residing separately from the 23 chromosomes of the double helix, mtDNA is passed down solely through the maternal line. Sykes used mtDNA to discover something astounding: Nearly every European can be traced back to just seven women living 10,000 to 45,000 years ago. In his book, Sykes gives these seven ancestors hokey names and tells us where they most likely lived: Ursula, in Greece (circa 43,000 BC), and Velda, in northern Spain (circa 15,000 BC), to name two of the "seven daughters of Eve." (Eve was the ur-mother who lived 150,000 years ago in Africa.)

Sykes has taken swab samples from the cheeks of more than 10,000 people, charging $220 to individually determine a person's mtDNA type. "It's not serious genetics," Sykes admits, "but people like to know their roots. It makes genetics less scary and shows us that, through our genes, we are all very closely related." He recently expanded his tests to include non-Europeans. The Asian daughters of Eve are named Emiko, Nene, and Yumio, and their African sisters are Lamia, Latifa, and Ulla, among others.

Before heading to England, I had mailed Sykes a swab of my cheek cells. Over our desserts in Oxford he finally offers up the results. "You are descended from Helena," he pronounces. "She's the most common daughter of Eve, accounting for some 40 percent of Europeans." He hands me a colorful certificate, signed by him, that heralds my many-times-great-grandma and tells me that she lived 20,000 years ago in the Dordogne Valley of France. More interesting is the string of genetic letters from my mtDNA readout that indicates I'm mostly Celtic, which makes sense. But other bits of code reveal traces of Southeast Asian DNA, and even a smidgen of Native American and African.Art Streiber/ICON

Analyze this: A Spectrojet feeds DNA to gene chips that test for disease-causing anomalies. This doesn't quite have the impact of discovering that I'm likely to die of a heart attack. Nor am I surprised about the African and Indian DNA, since my mother's family has lived in the American South since the 17th century. But Southeast Asian? Sykes laughs. "We are all mutts," he says. "There is no ethnic purity. Somewhere over the years, one of the thousands of ancestors who contributed to your DNA had a child with someone from Southeast Asia." He tells me a story about a blond, blue-eyed surfer from Southern California who went to Hawaii to apply for monies awarded only to those who could prove native Hawaiian descent. The grant-givers laughed - until his DNA turned up traces of Hawaiian.

The next day, in Sykes' lab, we have one more test: running another ancestry marker in my Y chromosome through a database of 10,000 other Ys to see which profile is closest to mine. If my father was in the database, his Y chromosome would be identical, or possibly one small mutation off. A cousin might deviate by one tick. Someone descended from my native county of Perth might be two or three mutations removed, indicating that we share a common ancestor hundreds of years ago. Sykes tells me these comparisons are used routinely in paternity cases. He has another application. He is building up Y-chromosome profiles of surnames: men with the same last name whose DNA confirms that they are related to common ancestors.

After entering my mtDNA code into his laptop, Sykes looks intrigued, then surprised, and suddenly moves to the edge of his seat. Excited, he reports that the closest match is, incredibly, him — Bryan Sykes! "This has never happened," he says, telling me that I am a mere one mutation removed from him, and two from the average profile of a Sykes. He has not collected DNA from many other Duncans, he says, though it appears as if sometime in the past 400 years a Sykes must have ventured into Perth, and then had a child with a Duncan. "That makes us not-so-distant cousins," he says. We check a map of Britain on his wall, and sure enough, the Sykes family's homeland of Yorkshire is less than 200 miles south of Perth.

The fact that Sykes and I are members of the same extended family is just a bizarre coincidence, but it points to applications beyond simple genealogy. "I've been approached by the police to use my surnames data to match up with DNA from an unknown suspect found at a crime scene," says Sykes. Distinctive genetic markers can be found at the roots of many family trees. "This is possible, to narrow down a pool of suspects to a few likely surnames. But it's not nearly ready yet."

 

&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;You need to click the link to the Pyles family, from the opening topic. In case you missed it, here it is again.&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;


The references you give would not be accepted by real historians. The material you referred to was concocted within the past few hundred years and does not have its roots in any documents from the time periods in question, i.e. prior to the birth of Christ.