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Tracing your Ancestry to Adam

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Benfranklin403

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>>>>>I've got lots of references to other books. My Forgotten History has nine pages of Bibliography, mostly about other histories but some of them are about the history of Ireland.<<<<<<<

But none of them provide solid proof of ancestry back to Adam, do they? At least none of them contain proof that you are willing to share with us here.
 
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Benfranklin403

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Mike,

I am sure that many creationists would question your "history" also. History and evolution are not connected, it seems to me. What you claim as history is not history at all but simply wild speculation piled on top of speculation. That fact that you refuse to supply the "historical" details shows that you are not dealing with history.
 
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rsr

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"Those who constantly demand proof of ancient historical facts are actually contributing nothing to the discussion. Their agenda is not even the pursuit of history. They are just hecklers with an evolutionist agenda, who feel threatened by the possibility that ancient history might not lead them back to ape-like hominids."

Well, I guess we have nothing to talk about since you think anyone who wants proof is just a heckler with an evolutionist agenda.

We're done here.
 
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NaasPreacher (C4K)

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Just found that quote in the last link posted.

Novel thought, those who demand proof of ancient historical facts are evolutionary hecklers.

I though history was all about facts and proof.

I claim that I am a direct descendent of King David, and therefore have a right to sit on his throne. Don't ask me to prove it you much of hecklers, just accept it.
 
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Mike Gascoigne

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Originally posted by C4K:
I claim that I am a direct descendent of King David, and therefore have a right to sit on his throne...
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There are people who claim this very thing. They are called British Israelites and you will see from my opening topic that I have opposed them.

Mike
 
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dianetavegia

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Isn't this whole thread just an attempt to sell books?

The BIBLE says I date back to Adam. I need no other proof.
 
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Mike Gascoigne

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Originally posted by dianetavegia:
Isn't this whole thread just an attempt to sell books?
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Well, that's not such a bad thing, is it?

The BIBLE says I date back to Adam. I need no other proof.
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I agree entirely, but some people find this useful, and as you can see, there are people here asking for proof of something.

Mike
 
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Mike Gascoigne

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Originally posted by C4K:
If it is to sell books, is that not advertising and in violation of BB policy?
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I see what you mean, I've mentioned my books a few times during the discussion, but I've also mentioned other people's books. That's one of the hazards of being a book author. Everywhere you go you become a walking advert.

Mike
 
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Benfranklin403

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&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;The BIBLE says I date back to Adam. I need no other proof.&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;

That isn't the exact point under discussion. The thing that I question is whether you or Mike know the detailed ancestral path back to Adam. Mike claims he does, but does not provide proof. Neither have you.
 
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dianetavegia

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Originally posted by Benfranklin403:
&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;The BIBLE says I date back to Adam. I need no other proof.&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;&lt;

The thing that I question is whether you or Mike know the detailed ancestral path back to Adam. Mike claims he does, but does not provide proof. Neither have you.
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I don't CARE about the detailed path back to Adam! But then, I'm not trying to sell a book either. Who cares who our ancestor's were? We know the important ones through scripture!
 
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Benfranklin403

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"I don't CARE about the detailed path back to Adam!"

But you made the claim, not me.
 
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dianetavegia

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Yep, BenFranklin.... I read the book of Genesis. That's all I need. And you need MORE?

Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth. 27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them. 28 And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
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Acts 17:26 And hath made of one blood all nations of men for to dwell on all the face of the earth, and hath determined the times before appointed, and the bounds of their habitation;

Genesis 9:1 And God blessed Noah and his sons, and said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth.
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The Bible says it and that's all I need to know.
http://www.answersingenesis.org/Home/Area/AnswersBook/races18.asp

Titus 3:9 But avoid foolish disputes, genealogies, contentions, and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and useless.
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1 Timothy 1:3 As I urged you when I went into Macedonia--remain in Ephesus that you may charge some that they teach no other doctrine, 4 nor give heed to fables and endless genealogies, which cause disputes rather than godly edification which is in faith.
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[ January 26, 2005, 09:28 PM: Message edited by: dianetavegia ]
 
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Bro. James Reed

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I agree Diane.

BenFranklin, Diane is not claiming that she can name every single one of her descendants back to Adam.

It is just a fact that we all can "trace", so to speak, our ancestry to Adam because he was the first man and we are all descended from him.

You're trying to put more into Diane's words than she is saying, Ben.

The Bible says we are the children of Adam, and that is enough for me to claim him as my ancestor. I don't need a positively, foolproof genealogy of everyone between Adam and myself. There is no other way I could have come into existence, so I must be descended from him, as are you, Diane, Mike, and every other person who has or will ever walked the earth.
 
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Benfranklin403

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Possibly I misunderstood Diane's claim as it was somewhat similar to the claim that Mike was making either for himself or for some other person living at present. Mike refered to the following web site:

http://www.annomundi.co.uk/history/pyles_genealogy.htm

The above web site clearly does make the claim that modern ancestry can be traced back in an unbroken line to Adam. That is the type of logic which I question. Looking back at Diane's orginal post, she does not make precisely that claim but only that by going to the bible she can trace her ancestry back to Adam.
 
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Benfranklin403

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I have a question for biblical literalists. There is a substantial amount of physical variation between the races now and there is no indication, from the considerable historical record, that any significant amount of physical changes of the races has occurred in historical times. How is it then, that there seems to have been a large amount of change in the physical characteristics of the various races, from a small group of people who were saved from the flood, a relatively short time ago, assuming that the flood happened just a few thousand years ago?
Would it be correct to call this change evolution and why did it apparently occur very fast before recorded history and has almost come to a standstill after recorded history?
 
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