Traditional Baptist Beliefs

[JesusFan]

Perhaps the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever seen you post.

The more you absorb vanology, the more you lose the ability to think critically.

What a shame.

Peace to you

Would be very interesting to read the full Systematic Theology of Van textbook

 

[Zaatar71]

Would be very interesting to read the full Systematic Theology of Van textbook

Would this be the cover photo???,lol

 

[JonC]

Perhaps the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever seen you post.

The more you absorb vanology, the more you lose the ability to think critically.

What a shame.

Peace to you

It is something that many in Reformed Churches have come to realize (why you have the Reforme the Reformed movements).

Look at the threads on this forum. How do Calvinists defend the parts of their faith that are not in the Bible? They look to their "popes".

@Zaatar71 even admitted this when he pointed to the need to submit to Confirmed confessions and thise men who were scattered than him.


You admit it indirectly by responding as Catholics respond when challenged.

 

[Zaatar71]

It is something that many in Reformed Churches have come to realize (why you have the Reforme the Reformed movements).

Look at the threads on this forum. How do Calvinists defend the parts of their faith that are not in the Bible? They look to their "popes".

@Zaatar71 even admitted this when he pointed to the need to submit to Confirmed confessions and thise men who were scattered than him.


You admit it indirectly by responding as Catholics respond when challenged.

Reformed Christians are humble enough to submit to gifted persons and leadership, to read and learn, rather than a person who is puffed up, and thinks more highly of himself than he ought to. A proud spirit does not help a person come to truth.

 

[JonC]

Reformed Christians are humble enough to submit to gifted persons and leadership, to read and learn, rather than a person who is puffed up, and thinks more highly of himself than he ought to. A proud spirit does not help a person come to truth.

Proud in your humility? Not sure that works.

 

[Van]

Don’t give up @Van!!! You have almost convinced the whole world to reject the doctrines of grace!!!

Or maybe not…

Peace to you

Yet another Calvinist with their change the subject ratchet. I am an oppressor, according to the subject changing charge, rather than a messenger of truth, presenting the gospel of Christ. God desires all people to be saved in accordance with His redemption plan. That is why Christ laid down His life as a ransom for all. That is why He tasted death for all people. That is why He became the means of reconciliation for all people. That is why His ransom bought those never to be saved, but facing swift destruction.

God chooses to credit as righteousness the faith some believers, demonstrating Soul Competency.
Many lost persons actually seek the narrow door [Christ] but do not find Him demonstrating limited spiritual ability.
Some people actually entering the kingdom are derailed and are prevented from going in, because entry is not supernaturally compelled.

 

[JonC]

Yet another Calvinist with their change the subject ratchet. I am an oppressor, according to the subject changing charge, rather than a messenger of truth, presenting the gospel of Christ.

Calvinists always do that. The readon is they cannot justify their faith. They follow their "popes", often without holding or even understanding how their "popes" arrived at their conclusions.

 

[canadyjd]

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Look at the threads on this forum. How do Calvinists defend the parts of their faith that are not in the Bible? They look to their "

You admit it indirectly by responding as Catholics respond when challenged.

The reformed brethren use scripture to support every doctrine of “their faith”, so it is simply untrue to claim what they believe is not in the Bible.

There is no rational reason not to glean biblical truth from the godly men and women that spent their lives pondering the great teachings of our Lord Jesus and His Apostles and possessed literary skills necessary to clearly explain those truths.

Compare that to others that continually start threads to “disprove” the doctrines of grace by claiming new ways to use biblical Greek or Hebrew (ignoring experts in these languages) even though they are an amateur at best and a poorly skilled reader of lexicons at worst.

This conversation is not edifying so I’m out.

Peace to you

 

[Silverhair]

The reformed brethren use scripture to support every doctrine of “their faith”, so it is simply untrue to claim what they believe is not in the Bible.

There is no rational reason not to glean biblical truth from the godly men and women that spent their lives pondering the great teachings of our Lord Jesus and His Apostles and possessed literary skills necessary to clearly explain those truths.

Compare that to others that continually start threads to “disprove” the doctrines of grace by claiming new ways to use biblical Greek or Hebrew (ignoring experts in these languages) even though they are an amateur at best and a poorly skilled reader of lexicons at worst.

This conversation is not edifying so I’m out.

Peace to you

From what you are saying it would seem the only ones qualified to understand the bible are those of the calvinist view. Odd that they have to change the meaning of words so it fits their theological view.

Odd how those same people are unable to understand that that view did not exist until augustine in the 4th century.

 

[Silverhair]

 

[JonC]

The reformed brethren use scripture to support every doctrine of “their faith”, so it is simply untrue to claim what they believe is not in the Bible.

There is no rational reason not to glean biblical truth from the godly men and women that spent their lives pondering the great teachings of our Lord Jesus and His Apostles and possessed literary skills necessary to clearly explain those truths.

Compare that to others that continually start threads to “disprove” the doctrines of grace by claiming new ways to use biblical Greek or Hebrew (ignoring experts in these languages) even though they are an amateur at best and a poorly skilled reader of lexicons at worst.

This conversation is not edifying so I’m out.

Peace to you

They do "use" Scripture. But their faith is not derived from Scripture.

They choose men they agree with, they call them "godly" (here they mean God-given teachers, misinterpreting teachers given congregations). Catholics do this, calling theirs "pope".

The difference between Reformed theology and Christianity is not Scripture but instead how Scripture is viewed. Christianity views the Bible as God's Word and these words the actual teachings. Reformed theologians believe the Bible is a type of reference that their "popes" use to tell them what the Bible really teaches.


In discussions here many will point to the Bible. Reformed members give a few verses but then pages after pages of little "popes" explaining what the Bible "really" teaches.


For example, it is impossible to believe that Jesus experienced God's wrath IF belief is developed from God's Word because that heresy is nowhere in the words of God. But Reformed "popes" have determined that this had to have happened because their philosophy demands it. Reformed people simply follow these men they worship. They typically do not even understand how their cult developed.

 

[Van]

Would be very interesting to read the full Systematic Theology of Van textbook

Try reading the Bible!