Transgressing the Law

[Brother Bob]

When confronted with the truth, your answer was: "Such childishness!"
Lying is not childishness.
Go back to the original post. See where your mistakes are, and where you refuse to admit them. The one who refuses to admit that he never lies is the one who ought to be worried.

Why are you reluctant to answer this part of the post?

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No need to join in with sillyness.

Look at your last two posts and what in all you called me. Basically an "unsaved" person. Then questioning me. Excuse me,


BBob, :tonofbricks:

 

[DHK]

No need to join in with sillyness.

Look at your last two posts and what in all you called me. Basically an "unsaved" person. Then questioning me. Excuse me, BBob, :tonofbricks:

Bob,
Saying that someone has lied is not the same as saying one is not saved.
I have not accused you of being unsaved.
I did question your understanding of Scripture.
I did say that if your understanding of Rev.21:8 were the correct one, then heaven would be totally empty, save for God and his angels. How is that calling you unsaved?

I pointed out to you that it is you that has called Steaver unsaved, and repeatedly so. You have even pointed the finger at him and inferred that he was possessed with a demon. Why else would a person tell him to test the spirits? That is the context of the passage.

Now how about answering the questions I gave you instead of hopping all over the place?

 

[Brother Bob]

I say calling someone a liar over and over is saying he is not saved, and that is what you do to me all the time. I have never pointed my finger at anyone on BB, that is another false accusation you made up.

I don't mind you questioning my understanding of scripture, for I sure question yours. You say I do not understand Rev. 21:8, I guess that means that you do understand it. I doubt that also.

Because DHK says something does not mean or even come close, that it is true. You have proved that over and over. When you are not attacking me, you are attacking someone else all over this board. I read all your posts or most, and you never seem to get along with any of the posters. Its either your way, or you are wrong, according to you. I don't buy it.

BBob,

 

[DHK]

I say calling someone a liar over and over is saying he is not saved, and that is what you do to me all the time. I have never pointed my finger at anyone on BB, that is another false accusation you made up.
BBob,

If you have never pointed your finger at anyone would you mind giving straightforward answers to these questions:

Steaver was saved at the age of ten according to his own testimony.
Do you accept this testimony as true or false?

I was saved at the age of twenty.
Are you going to deny my testimony? Do you consider it to false for any reason? If so why?

At what age were you saved?
Or, do you have to test the spirits first to find out, as you told Steaver that he should do?

Don't mess around here. Just give some simple straight forward answers. It would be much appreciated.

 

[EdSutton]

I have never pointed my finger at anyone on BB,

Excuse me??

Moi!

Ed

 

[Thinkingstuff]

Excuse me??

Moi!

Ed

C'est Vous? No! C'est vrai? Je suis vraiment de sole.

 

[Amy.G]

C'est Vous? No! C'est vrai? Je suis vraiment de sole.

A-say at=whay?



:laugh:

 

[Brother Bob]

Excuse me??

Moi!

Ed

When did you see me "point" my finger Ed????

Instead of mocking, say when, and give an example.

BBob,

 

[Brother Bob]

If you have never pointed your finger at anyone would you mind giving straightforward answers to these questions:

Steaver was saved at the age of ten according to his own testimony.
Do you accept this testimony as true or false?

I was saved at the age of twenty.
Are you going to deny my testimony? Do you consider it to false for any reason? If so why?

At what age were you saved?
Or, do you have to test the spirits first to find out, as you told Steaver that he should do?

Don't mess around here. Just give some simple straight forward answers. It would be much appreciated.

Answer your own question,

1. Was Steaver saved at age 10, and how do you know? Are you God, for salvation is of the Lord. Please tell me how you know that Steaver was saved at age 10?

2. You say you were saved at age twenty and ask me if I deny it. NO!, but do I know you were saved at age 20, NO!

BBob,

 

[DHK]

Answer your own question,

1. Was Steaver saved at age 10, and how do you know? Are you God, for salvation is of the Lord. Please tell me how you know that Steaver was saved at age 10?


BBob,

How do I know that Steaver was saved according to his own testimony?
How do you know that I am saved except it be according to my own testimony?
How do I know if you are saved unless you testify of your salvation?

Do you believe the testimony of Steaver that he was saved at the age of ten?

I am not asking you to read the mind of God.
It is a very simple question that you don't want to answer. That is the problem isn't it? You just don't want to answer it. Evasiveness is your way out.

 

[Brother Bob]

How do I know that Steaver was saved according to his own testimony?
How do you know that I am saved except it be according to my own testimony?
How do I know if you are saved unless you testify of your salvation?



Do you believe the testimony of Steaver that he was saved at the age of ten?

I am not asking you to read the mind of God.
It is a very simple question that you don't want to answer. That is the problem isn't it? You just don't want to answer it. Evasiveness is your way out.

This is not evasive, if any man says different, he is a false teacher.

I do not deny it, but do I know it, NO!

want to know anything else?

BBob,

 

[Heavenly Pilgrim]

This is NOT, I say again NOT a reflection of anyone on this list. None the less in light of the discussion going on it would do us all good to consider. Many are deceived as to their standing before God. They confess God with their lips yet in practice they deny God. We are told not only to make our calling and election sure, but to examine ourselves to see if we be of the faith. We are told NOT to lay hands on any man suddenly, are we not?

As for me, I would be very cautious of believing anyone is automatically a brother in the Lord simply due to his stated testimony of a childhood conversion. That does NOT mean that I deny one is saved or was saved at that or any other time, but that I will watch their life, their words and their actions, their responses and attitudes, and in time hopefully I will have enough confidence in their profession to sincerely accept their testimony as being one of those that have been washed by the blood of the Lamb. Would that not be wisdom and in accordance to the Word of God?

 

[DHK]

This is not evasive, if any man says different, he is a false teacher.

I do not deny it, but do I know it, NO!

want to know anything else?

BBob,

Yes, It is very evasive.
Are you now calling me a false teacher for saying that Bob?

Here are the questions again. Try and do better this time:

Originally Posted by DHK How do I know that Steaver was saved according to his own testimony?
How do you know that I am saved except it be according to my own testimony?
How do I know if you are saved unless you testify of your salvation?



Do you believe the testimony of Steaver that he was saved at the age of ten?

I am not asking you to read the mind of God.
It is a very simple question that you don't want to answer. That is the problem isn't it? You just don't want to answer it. Evasiveness is your way out.

Here is another one just for you.
Are you saved Bob?

 

[DHK]

This is NOT, I say again NOT a reflection of anyone on this list.

Considering the nature of this discussion it is a reflection of one or more on this list.

None the less in light of the discussion going on it would do us all good to consider. Many are deceived as to their standing before God.

Make it personal then. Are you deceived in your standing before God? (Why else would you bring the subject up?)

They confess God with their lips yet in practice they deny God. We are told not only to make our calling and election sure, but to examine ourselves to see if we be of the faith. We are told NOT to lay hands on any man suddenly, are we not?

Have you confessed with your lips and yet in practice have denied God?
Have you made sure of your calling and election?
Have you examined yourself to see if you are in the faith?

As for me, I would be very cautious of believing anyone is automatically a brother in the Lord simply due to his stated testimony of a childhood conversion.

When were you saved? As an adult or as a child?

That does NOT mean that I deny one is saved or was saved at that or any other time, but that I will watch their life, their words and their actions, their responses and attitudes, and in time hopefully I will have enough confidence in their profession to sincerely accept their testimony as being one of those that have been washed by the blood of the Lamb. Would that not be wisdom and in accordance to the Word of God?

You tell me. Do you have enough confidence in your own testimony that you know for sure that your sins have been washed by the blood of the Lamb? Can others trust what you say about your testimony of salvation?

 

[Brother Bob]

Yes, It is very evasive.
Are you now calling me a false teacher for saying that Bob?

Here are the questions again. Try and do better this time:

Here is another one just for you.
Are you saved Bob?

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I am sure you have read my profile. I know you have heard me testify that I have been a ordained preacher for 36 years. I am sure you have read where I have posted that I have been Pastor of the church I am at now, for over 19 years. I also was Pastor and Assistant Pastor of the church before this one for 8 years. For a moderator on Baptist Board to ask a Pastor of a Baptist Church on a Baptist Forum Board, is he is saved, is questioning his salvation in the fullness. So, again you are questioning my salvation.

I have never, nor will I ever, ask a member on this board if they are saved. If I did that, then I would indeed be questioning their salvation.
You as a moderator of this board have just ask me that very question. A Pastor for over 26 years, an ordained preacher of God for over 36 years and you ask me if I am "saved", therefore questioning my salvation. I do not understand why the leaders of this board let you get away with violating the rules of the board over and over, when you are one of their moderators, representing them, on this board.


BBob,

 

[DHK]

I am sure you have read my profile. I know you have heard me testify that I have been a ordained preacher for 36 years. So, again you are questioning my salvation.

BBob,

Again you don't want to give a direct yes or no, as per usual.
But I will take that as a yes.
Now look seriously at this situation Bob.

You want me to believe your testimony concerning your salvation.
But you will not believe Steaver's testimony concerning his salvation.

Don't you find that a double standard, and quite hypocritical?

 

[Brother Bob]

Again you don't want to give a direct yes or no, as per usual.
But I will take that as a yes.
Now look seriously at this situation Bob.

You want me to believe your testimony concerning your salvation.
But you will not believe Steaver's testimony concerning his salvation.

Don't you find that a double standard, and quite hypocritical?

I do not care if you believe my testimony or not. I just want you to follow the rules of this board, the same as the rest of us. I do not want you to question my salvation, but whether you believe it or not, is up to you.

You Sir, owe me an apology.

BBob,

 

[Heavenly Pilgrim]

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Originally Posted by Heavenly Pilgrim
This is NOT, I say again NOT a reflection of anyone on this list.

DHK: Considering the nature of this discussion it is a reflection of one or more on this list.

HP: If what I have said is in any way a refection on anyone on this list, it is not due to anything I have stated of myself, for I have done nothing but to reflect on Scriptures comments on the subject just as any preacher would do and all preachers should do.
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HP: None the less in light of the discussion going on it would do us all good to consider. Many are deceived as to their standing before God.

DHK: Make it personal then. Are you deceived in your standing before God? (Why else would you bring the subject up?)

HP: Deception is possible for any of us, that includes myself and you as well. I bring it up because God brings it up. He tells us in His Word that MANY are deceived, even to the point of standing before God Himself and trying to convince GOD that they are saved, when in reality they are not. Are we no naïve that we could not possibly consider that among us there most likely are such individuals present, just as convinced that they are born again when in reality they are deceived?
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HP: They confess God with their lips yet in practice they deny God. We are told not only to make our calling and election sure, but to examine ourselves to see if we be of the faith. We are told NOT to lay hands on any man suddenly, are we not?

DHK: Have you confessed with your lips and yet in practice have denied God?
Have you made sure of your calling and election?
Have you examined yourself to see if you are in the faith?

HP: May I invoke the words of the Apostle Paul? “I judge not mine own self.” It is God that judges me now and will judge me in the end. I will refer all such questions as to my walk before Him to God alone. As far as examining myself, I indeed practice that in my walk before God. I have the witness of the Spirit that I am a child of His. None the less, I cannot expect for you to believe that just because I claim that. A shoe cobbler need more evidence than his own words to prove that he is the best shoe cobbler in town. I certainly need more than my own testimony to assure others of my standing before God as well.
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HP: As for me, I would be very cautious of believing anyone is automatically a brother in the Lord simply due to his stated testimony of a childhood conversion.

DHK: When were you saved? As an adult or as a child?

HP: I would prefer to coin it this way. I first entered into a hope of eternal life at an early age. I, during my teen years, turned my back on God and sought after a life of selfishness and rebellion from God fro several years. During those rebellious years I entertained no hope of eternal life. God revealed plainly to my soul that if I was to die in that state I was NOT ready to meet Him nor could was my final state to be with Him. It was not until God brought me to a place where I was willing to repent from my sins and turn afresh in repentance and obedience that I once again found that hope of eternal life real to my soul.
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HP: That does NOT mean that I deny one is saved or was saved at that or any other time, but that I will watch their life, their words and their actions, their responses and attitudes, and in time hopefully I will have enough confidence in their profession to sincerely accept their testimony as being one of those that have been washed by the blood of the Lamb. Would that not be wisdom and in accordance to the Word of God?

DHK: You tell me. Do you have enough confidence in your own testimony that you know for sure that your sins have been washed by the blood of the Lamb? Can others trust what you say about your testimony of salvation?

HP: Yes I can say that my sins have been washed in the blood of Jesus Christ, but again I do not expect anyone to lay hands on me suddenly and accept me as their brother in the Lord due to my telling them I entertain a certain hope of eternal life. Certainly it is often in order to give others the benefit of the doubt, but I would NOT expect others to lay hands on me or anyone else, based solely on my words, or the words of others concerning themselves, as to my hope. Whether or not you trust what I say is up to you. I can only hope as you and I follow the directives of Scripture in examining ourselves and setting forth a good example of a believer that others might come to a trust as to our walk with the Lord,…… but if no one ever does, what is that to us? Jesus commands us, “Come thou and follow Me.” If most men did not trust Christ that He came from God, why should those of us that believe expect anything different concerning our testimony?

 

[DHK]

I do not care if you believe my testimony or not. I just want you to follow the rules of this board, the same as the rest of us. I do not want you to question my salvation, but whether you believe it or not, is up to you.

You Sir, owe me an apology.

BBob,

Why would I owe you an apology. I asked if you are saved. I didn't question your salvation. My next question would be when? Tell me of your testimony.
Again, you have a double standard. You want me to believe you--to believe your testimony of salvation.

But you will not believe Steaver's testimony of salvation. That is hypocritical.
In fact you went so far as to say that he is the one that:
1. should examine his own faith.
2. should test the spirits to see whether his salvation is of God or another spirit (a demon)!
Steaver pointed out to you that you were attributing the work of God done in his life to Satan which he believed to be blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. And still you did not believe his testimony of salvation.

Yet for some reason you want me to believe your testimony of salvation.

1 John 3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

True love for one's brother is the acceptance of his testimony of salvation; the confidence that he can have fellowship with him as a brother in Christ.

"By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples if ye have love one for another."

However, if you don't accept the testimony of one's salvation, how shall others know that you have love for a brother (that you will never admit to being a brother)

 

[Brother Bob]

Why would I owe you an apology. I asked if you are saved. I didn't question your salvation. My next question would be when? Tell me of your testimony.
Again, you have a double standard. You want me to believe you--to believe your testimony of salvation.

But you will not believe Steaver's testimony of salvation. That is hypocritical.
In fact you went so far as to say that he is the one that:
1. should examine his own faith.
2. should test the spirits to see whether his salvation is of God or another spirit (a demon)!
Steaver pointed out to you that you were attributing the work of God done in his life to Satan which he believed to be blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. And still you did not believe his testimony of salvation.

Yet for some reason you want me to believe your testimony of salvation.

1 John 3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

True love for one's brother is the acceptance of his testimony of salvation; the confidence that he can have fellowship with him as a brother in Christ.

"By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples if ye have love one for another."

However, if you don't accept the testimony of one's salvation, how shall others know that you have love for a brother (that you will never admit to being a brother)

Those are your words, not mine.
I have stated that I do not deny anyone testimony. Do I know they are saved. No and neither do you. What you suggest is brainless, for one person to know what is inside of another is not possible. It is God that searches the heart, It is God who saves.

You are trying to play God, but you are not going to make it.

I feel pain for you, for you seem to be in a constant roar in the mind, one who is not able to settle down on the peace of God. You seem to be a troubled person, with a troubled mind, who is in need of help. I suggest you go to the Lord in prayer, He is able to help even in our most ignorant ways.

I will continue to pray for you.

BBob,