Because, silly, I was trying to prove that 'erchomai' means to 'come out from' and EVERY definition of the word has a meaning that expresses a departure, or movement OUT of one place INTO another. 'Proceeded forth from'.
Just as in Mark 1:1:28 where it means “spread abroad,” and in Acts 10:33, where it means “Go away!” Acts 22:18, it is translated “get.” And in John 10:39 “escape.” And I should believe you that
EVERY definition expresses a departure from one place to another, meaning proceeding forth from. That is plain wrong. Next time do your homework or you won’t be accused of spreading falsehoods.
Would it even be worth my time to show you the verses that are RELATED to this subject?
Probably not. First because you can’t. Second, if you do, they will be Scripture taken out of context with words given different meanings other than what the original words were intended to have. It is what is called neo-orthodoxy. The SDA’s are very good at this—re-defining the orthodox terms of the Bible to mean something other than what they really mean.
quote:Yes, that is all you said. The implication is quite clear—that Jesus had a beginning an origin from the Father.
Ok, you should know by now that I don't 'imply' stuff, I say what I mean! I MEAN that I believe that Jesus 'proceeded forth from God'. I am not 'implying' that Jesus was created by God! If Jesus DID proceed forth (or come out) of God, then HE DOES HAVE AN ORIGIN! You can explain it away all you want, but I have shown scripture to support my thesis. If you KNOW so well, SHOW ME. Show FROM SCRIPTURE that Jesus IS without beginning, and was NEVER in His Father, and then Came out, and that He is the ETERNAL GOD. Show me that in the Bible. Otherwise it is just your opinion.
What is the use? I have given you plenty of Scripture. Much of it you just ignore. I have given you more than opinion. I have given you the Word of God. You just twist it, reject it, and say it means something else instead of accepting it. Christ is eternal and never had a beginning. There is plenty of Scripture to verify that. I will end this post by giving you Scripture as evidence to that, and hopefully answer the rest of your post at a later date.
1Tim.3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
--God manifest in the flesh. God from all eternity was manifest in the flesh. Christ is God.
Acts 20:28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.
--God purchased the church with his own blood. Christ is God. It was God that shed His blood.
Isa.9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
--Only Christ has heir to these names. He
IS the might God, the
ETERNAL Father. Nothing could be more plain than that.
Micah 5:2 But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.
--Christ is from of old, from everlasting. He is from everlasting from all eternity. He never had a beginning. He always was.
John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
--The Word (Christ) was God. And that Word (Christ) was made manifest and lived among us (John and others), and they saw Him and saw His glory. What did they see? The glory of God through Jesus Christ. Christ is God. These verses make it plain. The Word (Christ) is God. Don’t make God a liar 3AM!
John 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
59 Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.
--The word used for “I Am,” is the same word used by Jehovah when He revealed himself to Moses in Exodus 3:14. He is the Great I Am, the Jehovah of the Old Testament. He is God. His claim to be Jehovah in this verse so angered the Jews that they took up stones and tried to kill him.
30 I and my Father are one.
31 Then the Jews took up stones again to stone him.
32 Jesus answered them, Many good works have I showed you from my Father; for which of those works do ye stone me?
33 The Jews answered him, saying, For a good work we stone thee not; but for blasphemy; and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.
--Jesus claimed to be God. He said, “I amd my Father are one.” The Jews understood His claim to deity, and that is why they tried to stone him. They even said the same in verse 33. It is “for blasphemy, and because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God.” They knew exactly what he meant. He meant that He was God. That is what He was saying, when He said “I and my Father are one.” It is indefensible.
DHK
I don't know which version you are using but the word 'God' is not even in the original text. This is what the KJV says:
NE has seen God at anytime. These verses are a prophecy of the second coming, in the which Jesus will SHOW us who God is. He came to earth 'vieled' in humanity and when He comes back He will come in ALL His Father's Glory. THEN Jesus will have shown us WHO God is. And the reason we will be ABLE to see Him is because we will be like Him, when we see Him as He is. So the 'Light' that was once unapproachable, will be approachable when we are perfected.
