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Trump Administration Picks Strange Fight With Meals On Wheels

Crabtownboy

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Assuming you left out "...who..." between people and support,
it's irrelevant, since He himself did not seek to change any government policies which "allow people to go hungry." Or do you think he favored force-feeding policies?

You reply makes no sense. Who is the he you are talking about? Who said anything about forced feeding. I will answer if you post a rational understandable question. In the future if I do not reply to one of your questions it will be either because I did not see it or that is it too ignorant a question to warrant areply.

Try again.
 

InTheLight

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The results are elderly not going hungry. How is feeding your citizens and keeping them from hunger not getting good results?.

Depends on the efficiency of the delivery of meals. If it costs $5 to deliver a meal or $20 to deliver a meal.

At what cost per meal would you draw the line and say it's not working?


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Alcott

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You reply makes no sense. Who is the he you are talking about? Who said anything about forced feeding. I will answer if you post a rational understandable question. In the future if I do not reply to one of your questions it will be either because I did not see it or that is it too ignorant a question to warrant areply.

Since Christ was the subject, and I capitalized the H in He, does that leave any doubt who He is?
Force-feeding would be the alternative to "allowing people to go hungry."
Does that clarify things for your little pea brain?
Are you still a coward to answer that question?
 

Crabtownboy

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Since Christ was the subject, and I capitalized the H in He, does that leave any doubt who He is?
Force-feeding would be the alternative to "allowing people to go hungry."
Does that clarify things for your little pea brain?
Are you still a coward to answer that question?

Still a dumb question. I really wish you would be rational.

Are you in favor of letting people go hungry?
 

Crabtownboy

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Depends on the efficiency of the delivery of meals. If it costs $5 to deliver a meal or $20 to deliver a meal.

At what cost per meal would you draw the line and say it's not working?


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You realize, I assume, that many who receive meals do pay something for them.

From: About Meals on Wheels

Depending on individual circumstances, meals may be provided along a sliding fee scale, from no cost to full price. While no senior will be denied a meal because of an inability to pay, he/she may be asked to contribute voluntarily toward the cost of a meal. However, it is important to note that in many areas of the country, the need for meals far exceeds the resources available to provide them, leading to wait lists and/or being turned away.

From: Low-Cost Meal Delivery Services | Caring.com

Meals on Wheels. The oldest and largest national organization offering meal services to those in need, Meals on Wheels charges an average of about $35 weekly for two meals daily, although no one is denied delivery for financial reasons. You can find a local program, along with contact information for member programs that also provide meals, through the website run by the national office of Meals on Wheels.
 

Alcott

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Still a dumb question. I really wish you would be rational.

Are you in favor of letting people go hungry?

I don't want people to go hungry, but I'm not going to prevent them; nor, I'm sure, is anyone going to prevent me. So what is you cowardly excuse now for not answering my question?
 

InTheLight

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Yes, if it keeps people alive who need food. If that makes me a horrible person putting lives ahead of currency, then so be it.
I want to make sure I understand--are you saying there is no dollar per meal amount that would be considered a failure?


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Brent W

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I want to make sure I understand--are you saying there is no dollar per meal amount that would be considered a failure?


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There is not for Meals on Wheels. We currently pay more to incarcerate and feed non violent drug offenders in Federal prisons than Meals on Wheels costs. So, if there is a cost for supporting U.S. citizens that would be deemed a failure, it would be Jeff Sessions and Trumps renewed effort to continue to incarcerate American citizens at a rate higher than any other country in the world.
 

InTheLight

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There is not for Meals on Wheels. We currently pay more to incarcerate and feed non violent drug offenders in Federal prisons than Meals on Wheels costs. So, if there is a cost for supporting U.S. citizens that would be deemed a failure, it would be Jeff Sessions and Trumps renewed effort to continue to incarcerate American citizens at a rate higher than any other country in the world.
We're not talking about incarcerating drug offenders.

But thank you for your answer. You said there is no dollar per meal amount where you would consider Meals on Wheels a failure.

So you are saying $50 for a lunch delivered to a senior citizen is a worthwhile government program. Even $100 per meal.

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Brent W

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We're not talking about incarcerating drug offenders.

But thank you for your answer. You said there is no dollar per meal amount where you would consider Meals on Wheels a failure.

So you are saying $50 for a lunch delivered to a senior citizen is a worthwhile government program. Even $100 per meal.

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Yes I am ok with $50 a meal and even $100 a meal as long as we continue to put people in jail (and this administration will continue to do that at an expanded rate) and support them for non violent crimes at a higher cost than this welfare program. You won't get any other answer out of me and you can spin to your hearts desire. :)
 

InTheLight

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Yes I am ok with $50 a meal and even $100 a meal as long as we continue to put people in jail (and this administration will continue to do that at an expanded rate) and support them for non violent crimes at a higher cost than this welfare program. You won't get any other answer out of me and you can spin to your hearts desire. :)
You're the one spinning things. You're conflating two issues.

Why not bring up $400 hammers and $900 toilet seats in the military while you are at it?

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Don

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Annsni, I really thought you cared for people more than your reply indicates.

If the Defense budget can be increased by billions, then certainly food for the poor and elderly can also be funded fully. It isn't just Meals-On-Wheels, but also food pantries. I have worked as a volunteer at a food pantry and there are people truly in need who come there. It is unconscionable to decrease funding for such programs while increasing funding programs designed to kill people.
My church does a food pantry and "Families Feeding Families" each week, without government grants.

It's not the government's job to take care of us.

Regarding your and Brent's posts: when the government assumes the responsibility of taking care of its citizens, we must take care that we haven't become its prisoners.
 

Crabtownboy

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Are you in favor of your tax dollars being used inefficiently?

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No, that is one reason I do not agree with increases to the Pentagon.

From: Pentagon buries evidence of $125 billion in bureaucratic waste

Pentagon buries evidence of $125 billion in bureaucratic waste

The Pentagon has buried an internal study that exposed $125 billion in administrative waste in its business operations amid fears Congress would use the findings as an excuse to slash the defense budget, according to interviews and confidential memos obtained by The Washington Post.


Pentagon leaders had requested the study to help make their enormous back-office bureaucracy more efficient and reinvest any savings in combat power. But after the project documented far more wasteful spending than expected, senior defense officials moved swiftly to kill it by discrediting and suppressing the results.

The report, issued in January 2015, identified “a clear path” for the Defense Department to save $125 billion over five years. The plan would not have required layoffs of civil servants or reductions in military personnel. Instead, it would have streamlined the bureaucracy through attrition and early retirements, curtailed high-priced contractors and made better use of information technology.
 

Brent W

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You're the one spinning things. You're conflating two issues.

Why not bring up $400 hammers and $900 toilet seats in the military while you are at it?

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Because those are not social welfare issues, obviously. My point is simple. If we are going to cut a social welfare budget, it should be by saving valuable resources on non violent drug offenders who cost more per person to support than it costs Meals on Wheels to support.

Straight forward and simple. Until that happens, I have no issue with the current Meals on Wheels program, as it stood before Trump took office. Please let me say that one more time, just so you understand it correctly. Before Trump took office, I was completely ok with Meals on Wheels and saw it as a valuable social service to our citizens. I believe that instead of cutting resources to Meals on Wheels, we should stop filling our prisons with non violent offenders, who cost more per person to feed, provide healthcare for and to shelter than Meals on Wheels costs to simply feed.

I can not possibly be any more clear and precise than that. If you still do not understand or can not accept my view point then that is ok. I won't be trying to explain it anymore as I think I have clearly stated my view on budget cuts to the Meals on Wheels program and why I believe it is wrong to cut from that program while expanding our prisons with non violent offenders, which is a policy of this administration. :)
 

just-want-peace

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The results are elderly not going hungry. How is feeding your citizens and keeping them from hunger not getting good results?

I guess Jesus' words about feeding the poor fail Trump's test. Wonder what he and others will say at the final judgment?


My guess is that He will be a LOT easier on Trump et al than He will toward the hypocrites that belly-ache about every move Trump makes!! :Rolleyes:Rolleyes:Rolleyes
 

just-want-peace

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Still a dumb question. I really wish you would be rational.

Are you in favor of letting people go hungry?

Yeeee Haaaaa!!!! Keep on chasing that lil rabbit; he'll do his part to keep the diversion going!!:Laugh
Seems that more & more posters are catching on that you keep that lil rabbit stirred up, and are starting to ignore him!!:Whistling
 
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