Trump Announces US Will Designate Antifa as a Terrorist Group

[Scott Downey]

So what happens after antifa is called a domestic terror group?

They wont be able to legally publish propaganda , organize protests, solicit anyone for funding. If they do they can be prosecuted with more severe penalties. These people are dedicated to destruction.

I was talking to some people sympathetic to ANTIFA goals and he said the businesses that are attacked are insured, so rioting covers them, and he was not too concerned about the destruction going on. However if insurance companies pay out such huge claims, they cost to insure will go up and that affects everyone. Just like medical insurance has gone up due to the many lawsuits that people file, and that also costs everyone.

 

[Steven Yeadon]

Thy wont be able to legally publish propaganda , organize protests, solicit anyone for funding. If they do they can be prosecuted with more severe penalties. These people are dedicated to destruction.

Yes, that answers the question. Designated terrorist organizations cannot recruit, solicit funding, or spread their ideology in the open.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Amazing the hatred you have for Trump. You don't even try to hide it. He's a good man. The more good he does the more you hate him. This says more about you than him.

Jimmy Carter was a good man too. What’s your point?

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Yes, that answers the question. Designated terrorist organizations cannot recruit, solicit funding, or spread their ideology in the open.

But they could then move underground.

 

[Steven Yeadon]

But they could then move underground.

That's what they all do, but the FBI is great at finding terrorist recruiters, following the money, and handling tips.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

They wont be able to legally publish propaganda , organize protests, solicit anyone for funding. If they do they can be prosecuted with more severe penalties. These people are dedicated to destruction.

I was talking to some people sympathetic to ANTIFA goals and he said the businesses that are attacked are insured, so rioting covers them, and he was not too concerned about the destruction going on. However if insurance companies pay out such huge claims, they cost to insure will go up and that affects everyone. Just like medical insurance has gone up due to the many lawsuits that people file, and that also costs everyone.

Scott, I don’t see the insurance excuse as a legitimate reason for rioting and property destruction.

From what I have observed the rioting is random This morning they burned down a wendies, that couldn’t have been strategic.

so what’s the goal? Is it targeted damage to critical business operations or is it random hit and run violence with looting as the primary goal.

 

[Adonia]

This is good news and if it actually happens the full force of the Federal government should be used against it. These people are easy to spot at protests, young white people dressed in black with equipment (weapons, gas masks, and such) and they need to be separated from the people who are there to legally protest.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

That's what they all do, but the FBI is great at finding terrorist recruiters, following the money, and handling tips.

We are talking deep state here. And you can’t contain military measures and counter tactics. It just depends on the fervor of the insurgents (and the quality of leadership). You have studied this I take it?

 

[Adonia]

From what I have observed the rioting is random This morning they burned down a wendies, that couldn’t have been strategic.

It does not matter what get's burned down, it's just burning things down, anything down, in order to cause mayhem and attack society at large - that's the goal. They don't need 1000 agitators, just 100 of them strategically placed will do and then the other people who are around and riled up because of whatever (in this case the killing of Mr. George) will follow their lead.

Plus for the average "protestor" this is also a chance to get some free stuff. The Antifa people are not looting, just agitating.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

This is good news and if it actually happens the full force of the Federal government should be used against it. These people are easy to spot at protests, young white people dressed in black with equipment (weapons, gas masks, and such) and they need to be separated from the people who are there to legally protest.

Yea this is easy up until they start getting serious.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

It does not matter what get's burned down, it's just burning things down, anything down, in order to cause mayhem and attack society at large - that's the goal. They don't need 1000 agitators, just 100 of them strategically placed will do and then the other people who are around and riled up because of whatever (in this case the killing of Mr. George) will follow their lead.

Time is of the essence. So is funding and organization. What’s the true goal ... just mayhem? That’s easy... but do we really kno who is behind this and how it’s being funded? That’s key!

 

[Steven Yeadon]

We are talking deep state here. And you can’t contain military measures and counter tactics. It just depends on the fervor of the insurgents (and the quality of leadership). You have studied this I take it?

Yeah, my bachelor's was in political science specializing in national security.

I agree tactics evolve and new ones get many copycats. That said, I think we are ahead if ourselves. Will Congress pass legislation? The groups affected run the gamut from KKK and NeoNazis to antifa and anarchists.

I do think these organizations will find it harder to exist if designated terrorist organizations.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Yeah, my bachelor's was in political science specializing in national security.

I agree tactics evolve and new ones get many copycats. That said, I think we are ahead if ourselves. Will Congress pass legislation? The groups affected run the gamut from KKK and NeoNazis to antifa and anarchists.

I do think these organizations will find it harder to exist if designated terrorist organizations.

Are Nazi organizations and KKK ... are they going to be under this legislation? To play devils advocate for a minute, what about free speech?

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

Ok, it would be great to call dozens if not hundreds of groups domestic terrorist organizations. Problem is "domestic terrorism" is an academic term, not a legal one. There is no federal law defining domestic terrorism. This has been a huge issue for a while, hopefully, something gets done about that in Congress.

The operative wording is terrorist/terrorism, the point being that homegrown status cannot exempt you from being thus classified. A domestic enemy is still an enemy. And don't imagine that this just applies to Antifa.

President Trump on Sunday also announced that the U.S. will be designating Antifa as a terrorist organization:

The United States of America will be designating ANTIFA as a Terrorist Organization.

— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) May 31, 2020
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Barr noted on Saturday that the violence appears “planned, organized, and driven by anarchic and leftist extremist groups, far-left extremist groups using Antifa-like tactics, many of whom traveled outside the state to promote the violence”:

Attorney General William Barr gives a statement amid nationwide protests over the death of George Floyd Minnesota attorney general to lead prosecutions related to Floyd's death as nation braces for more unrest pic.twitter.com/mUlASV5E2y

— CBS News (@CBSNews) May 30, 2020​

 

[Adonia]

Time is of the essence. So is funding and organization. What’s the true goal ... just mayhem? That’s easy... but do we really kno who is behind this and how it’s being funded? That’s key!

Yes, we have a good clue as to is behind this and one of them could be George Soros. He is a well known anti-government type, a socialist at heart. He is for an "open society" where any and everything goes, so in my mind he is suspect #1. And notice how many Democrats are silent on this whole thing, they are probable happy with glee at the breakdown of societal order - the better for them to swoop in and institute their radical policies. You see how they have seen the current virus don't you, a chance to change the system as we know it. From mail in voting to a steady supply of government checks, they see this as their chance.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Yeah, my bachelor's was in political science specializing in national security.

I agree tactics evolve and new ones get many copycats. That said, I think we are ahead if ourselves. Will Congress pass legislation? The groups affected run the gamut from KKK and NeoNazis to antifa and anarchists.

I do think these organizations will find it harder to exist if designated terrorist organizations.

Terrorist (to me) are ISIS, Taliban. KKK & Neo Nazis would stretch the constitution for free speech

 

[church mouse guy]

This is good news and if it actually happens the full force of the Federal government should be used against it. These people are easy to spot at protests, young white people dressed in black with equipment (weapons, gas masks, and such) and they need to be separated from the people who are there to legally protest.

They also have lawyers on the sidelines at the demonstrations not to mention George Soros's telephone number on their Apple phones.

 

[Steven Yeadon]

Are Nazi organizations and KKK ... are they going to be under this legislation? To play devils advocate for a minute, what about free speech?

Then again, why is ISIS propaganda not free speech? I think the law will get through the supreme court based on the precedent on foreign terrorist organizations. Of course, there is the thorny problem of alienating extremist voters by Congress and the President. I don't know how that affects things.

 

[church mouse guy]

It does not matter what get's burned down, it's just burning things down, anything down, in order to cause mayhem and attack society at large - that's the goal. They don't need 1000 agitators, just 100 of them strategically placed will do and then the other people who are around and riled up because of whatever (in this case the killing of Mr. George) will follow their lead.

Plus for the average "protestor" this is also a chance to get some free stuff. The Antifa people are not looting, just agitating.

They know what they are doing. They broke a window in a high-end jewelry store downtown Indianapolis. They skipped the nearby fast=food joints. The Mayor of Indianapolis and the Governor of Indiana are doing nothing.

Rioters are not essential workers in Indianapolis.

 

[Scott Downey]

Cant get much more embedded deep state as Keith Ellison and his family support of ANTIFA.
Others support but not openly.
Son of Minnesota’s attorney general: 'I hereby declare, officially, my support for ANTIFA'

And that Susan Rice saying the Russians are involved, and then state governor saying white supremacists, those are just diversionary tactics to direct (simple minded fools) away from ANTIFA.

Did you know they love anarchy.