Trump Ending Anti-Christian Government Activities

[Benjamin]

It almost seems unreal and even sad that we would need to address this evil in the USA, although the attack on Christianity has been very apparent for a long time. Its nice to see Christians taking a stand in this country again.

Trump Executive Order Will Establish Task Force To End Anti-Christian Government Activities

 

[Benjamin]

Trump growing in faith and starting the White House Faith Office.

 

[37818]

A 2 minute video

Utilizes a female? Christian? pastor?

 

[Van]

The WH Faith Office will be led by a female Pastor. Religious Liberty includes allowing Christians equal justice under the law, but the same goes for other religious viewpoints, including those we believe are bogus.

Just one of the ways the Godless left used to deny Christians equal access to opportunity was in qualifying for positions requiring "trustworthiness."

It was suggested that if you believe in the miracles of the Bible, you might not be "trustworthy." Another was you had to sign an oath not to hold views against godless activities such as same sex activities.

This does not mean we should not cast a jaundice eye on those who display prominent "cross" hardware while attempting to influence us. Some are no doubt sincere, but others are not.

 

[Benjamin]

I'll admit I'm disappointed with the choice of Paula White to lead the White House Faith Office, because I would probably let my bias lead me to choose someone whose theological views were better aligned with the Bible, but that is according to my views, and I understand there may be good reasons to ignore such theological differences when making such a decision.

She may be a bold fighter for the freedom of faith and the theological differences don't really factor in to her ability to protect the Christian faith.

 

[Wesley Briggman]

[Mat 7:15 KJV] 15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

Van: "The WH Faith Office will be led by a female Pastor." Enough said.

 

[Saved421]

I agree with the above, woman are not qualified according to the scripture to be in the office of am bishop/pastor.

I do not agree with everything about Trump, though he is much better than the previous leader.

Its great that there will be less abominations be taught and forced through media/education.

Though its important to note Trump is Catholic, well I am not 100% sure.

Yes, Wesley made a great point, false prophets.

Shawn

 

[Silverhair]

When you consider how bad many of our male pastors have been do you really think a female in that position could be any worse?

I do not know anything about Paula White but if she has been called by God to preach then who are we to step in the way?

Was it not Christ Himself that made men and women equal or do you think women are actually second class Christians also?

The context of Paul's comments 1 Co 14:26-40 is about orderly worship. The comments by Paul about women was the same as those expressed in the preceding verses regarding those gifted in tongues and prophecy. The church members needed to exercise self-control on occasion, one expressed by silence so as to insure peace in the assembly.

 

[Saved421]

When you consider how bad many of our male pastors have been do you really think a female in that position could be any worse?

I do not know anything about Paula White but if she has been called by God to preach then who are we to step in the way?

Was it not Christ Himself that made men and women equal or do you think women are actually second class Christians also?

The context of Paul's comments 1 Co 14:26-40 is about orderly worship. The comments by Paul about women was the same as those expressed in the preceding verses regarding those gifted in tongues and prophecy. The church members needed to exercise self-control on occasion, one expressed by silence so as to insure peace in the assembly.

Dear Silverhair,

Thanks for sharing.

Yes, Christ made everyone equal in terms of salvation and we should all treat all the same.

Paul is saying Woman can't be pastors and in no way I am saying Woman are Second class.

Thanks,

Shawn

 

[Silverhair]

Dear Silverhair,

Thanks for sharing.

Yes, Christ made everyone equal in terms of salvation and we should all treat all the same.

Paul is saying Woman can't be pastors and in no way I am saying Woman are Second class.

Thanks,

Shawn

Actually when you look at the context Paul did not say women could not be pastors. To teach that view requires one to read into the text words that are not there.

The whole context is teaching so that there would be order in the worship service.

Whether tongues, prophecy or speaking during the service. All were to be tempered.

Since the bible is not clear on this matter I do not see it as an issue that is of great importance.

 

[Saved421]

No, Woman can't be pastors.

 

[Benjamin]

Mat 7:15 KJV] 15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

Van: "The WH Faith Office will be led by a female Pastor." Enough said.

I don't look at this in the context that she is being hired as our Pastor, but rather a protector of free faith.

Though its important to note Trump is Catholic, well I am not 100% sure.

No, he is not Catholic, I believe he started out as Presbyterian and has been mentored by some strong Christians over the years.

When you consider how bad many of our male pastors have been do you really think a female in that position could be any worse?

I'm hoping that we have some strong Pastors stand up in the next few years, and that boldly being a Christian becomes more popular than the outgoing Woke crowds that have been plaguing us with their evils.

 

[Wesley Briggman]

Actually when you look at the context Paul did not say women could not be pastors. To teach that view requires one to read into the text words that are not there.

[1Ti 2:12 KJV] 12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. (All emphasis are mine.)

What does the Bible say about the role of senior pastor? | GotQuestions.org

What does the Bible say about the role of senior pastor? How is the office of senior pastor different from other pastoral roles?

www.gotquestions.org

"Concerning the role of the pastor, the Bible says a great deal. The primary terms that describe the role of the pastor are “elder,” “bishop,” and “teacher” (1 Timothy 3:1-13). “Elder,” or episkopos (from which we get our word episcopal) refers to the oversight of the believers, and it involves teaching, preaching, caring, and exercising authority where needed."

Actually, when you read scripture, it does say women are not to be pastors.

 

[Silverhair]

[1Ti 2:12 KJV] 12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. (All emphasis are mine.)

What does the Bible say about the role of senior pastor? | GotQuestions.org

What does the Bible say about the role of senior pastor? How is the office of senior pastor different from other pastoral roles?

www.gotquestions.org

"Concerning the role of the pastor, the Bible says a great deal. The primary terms that describe the role of the pastor are “elder,” “bishop,” and “teacher” (1 Timothy 3:1-13). “Elder,” or episkopos (from which we get our word episcopal) refers to the oversight of the believers, and it involves teaching, preaching, caring, and exercising authority where needed."

Actually, when you read scripture, it does say women are not to be pastors.

Did you notice that it was Paul not God that made that statement? If you need to only have a male pastor then just listen them but I would rather have someone that actually follows God than one that just claims to do so.

Christ came to remove barriers and some people seem to think they need to reestablish them.

 

[Wesley Briggman]

Did you notice that it was Paul not God that made that statement? If you need to only have a male pastor then just listen them but I would rather have someone that actually follows God than one that just claims to do so.

Christ came to remove barriers and some people seem to think they need to reestablish them.

Please share any scripture that you consider valid because "God made that statement", not a man used of God.

A few verses showing Christ separated (set up barriers) His chosen from the goats, etc.

[2Jo 1:10 KJV] 10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into [your] house, neither bid him God speed:

[Mat 25:32 KJV] 32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth [his] sheep from the goats:

[2Co 6:17 KJV] 17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean [thing]; and I will receive you,

 

[Silverhair]

Please share any scripture that you consider valid because "God made that statement", not a man used of God.

A few verses showing Christ separated (set up barriers) His chosen from the goats, etc.

[2Jo 1:10 KJV] 10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into [your] house, neither bid him God speed:

[Mat 25:32 KJV] 32 And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth [his] sheep from the goats:

[2Co 6:17 KJV] 17 Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean [thing]; and I will receive you,

You do realize that we are speaking of believing men and women not those that believe as compared to those that do not believe.

What did Paul say? 1Ti 2:12 "But I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man..."

You still want to place barriers between believing men and women or are you suggesting that women are saved to a lesser degree?

Are not all who are saved equal in God's sight?

 

[Wesley Briggman]

You do realize that we are speaking of believing men and women not those that believe as compared to those that do not believe.

What did Paul say? 1Ti 2:12 "But I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man..."

You still want to place barriers between believing men and women or are you suggesting that women are saved to a lesser degree?

Are not all who are saved equal in God's sight?

I am unable to follow your logic.

 

[Silverhair]

I am unable to follow your logic.

What is hard to understand. You seem to think God sees saved men and women differently. You have based your view that women cannot lead on Paul's personal statement that he does not allow women to lead. Even the context of 1Ti 2:12 does not support your view.

As support for your view you quoted verses that show how God deals with the saved and unsaved. What is the logic behind that?

So the question. "Are not all who are saved equal in God's sight?"

 

[Dave G]

What did Paul say? 1Ti 2:12

What did Paul, who was God's appointed apostle to the Gentiles and whom God spoke through ( 1 Timothy 2:7 ), say about the roles of pastor, elder, and deacon within the church?
Here is some of what the Lord gave Paul to say:

" I will therefore that men pray every where, lifting up holy hands, without wrath and doubting.
9 In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;
10 but (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works.
11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. " ( 1 Timothy 2:8-12 ).

" Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but [they are commanded] to be under obedience, as also saith the law.
35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church." ( 1 Corinthians 14:34-35 ).

Paul, speaking for God, gave us this direction.
Moses, whom Paul refers to in 1 Corinthians 14, also gave Israel similar commandment through the Law.

 

[Dave G]

So the question. "Are not all who are saved equal in God's sight?"

No, they are not.
Not in the context of who the Lord holds responsible to perform certain duties, it isn't.

It's not that the Lord does not love His chosen that are women...
It's that He has commanded that men fill these roles.;
Not to the woman's shame, but to the man's responsibility as the head of the woman and of the family ( 1 Corinthians 11:1-12 ).

Please read the Scriptures on this matter again, sir.