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Trump is set to begin his presidency with a historically low approval rating

carpro

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Yeah I don't understand why someone would be ashamed of who they voted for. Vote for whoever you want and if you come to a "political debate" board to share your views then make your case of who you supported and why. Otherwise, if you cannot start with who you supported and why, then you will have no legitimacy in a political debate forum.

Not taking a stand excuses and camoflages trollish behavior.
 

carpro

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DISSENT.....even conflict are good for without them there is no understanding.

Agreed. It's how and when it is done that makes the difference. Trolls aren't looking for understanding. They're looking to sow dissension and create needless conflict.

We'll see.
 
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Bro. James

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Too late--we had an opportunity at the primary and general. Now we must wait for possible high crimes and misdemeanors. And history repeats itself.

The whole world is depraved folks. Why do we seem surprised?

Even so, come, Lord Jesus.

Bro. James
 

kitkatjoe

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If you hold a president to Christian standards when he may not be a Christian you are opening up for dissatisfaction. He or she needs our prayers and respect for the office.


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Earth Wind and Fire

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If you hold a president to Christian standards when he may not be a Christian you are opening up for dissatisfaction. He or she needs our prayers and respect for the office.

Prayers yes! Respect, not so much. Now if it were Reagan....:Thumbsup


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Yeshua1

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We know those polls are so accurate right? I'm sure Obama truly has sky high approval rating now lol. Trump's record low. All of those polls leading up to the election were right, Iran who would ever question a poll?
People like him personally, but majority hated hispolicies/agenda, s most anti Christian president ever had!
 

carpro

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Not exactly. The poll quoted, if accurate, tells us that people that vote republican are more likely to give the opposing party's president elect the benefit of the doubt. The left, not a chance.


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carpro

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They never learn.


http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-...mp-favorabilty-through-aggressive-oversamples


New ABC / WaPo Poll Shows Drop In Trump Favorability Courtesy Of Aggressive "Oversamples"

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by Tyler Durden


In the month leaded up to the election on November 8th, we repeatedly demonstrated how the mainstream media polls from the likes of ABC/Washington Post, CNN and Reuters repeatedly manipulated their poll samples to engineer their desired results, namely a large Hillary Clinton lead (see "New Podesta Email Exposes Playbook For Rigging Polls Through 'Oversamples'" and "ABC/Wapo Effectively Admit To Poll Tampering As Hillary's "Lead" Shrinks To 2-Points"). In fact, just 16 days prior to the election an ABC/Wapo poll showed a 12-point lead for Hillary, a result that obviously turned out to be embarrassingly wrong for the pollsters.

But, proving they still got it, ABC/Washington Post and CNN are out with a pair of polls on Trump's favorability this morning that sport some of the most egregious "oversamples" we've seen. The ABC/Wapo poll showed an 8-point sampling margin for Democrats with only 23% of the results taken from Republicans...


...while the CNN poll showed a similar 8-point advantage for Democrats with only 24% of respondents identifying as Republicans.
 

saved41199

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I seen that response coming.......

Then we must judge by your positions on the issues.....

Are you for open boarders or a strong wall?
I don't know that an expensive wall is the answer. I certainly don't want billions of dollars going towards something stupid. The truth is the net immigration from Central/South America is now in negative numbers. Let the Border Patrol do their jobs. I also think the hysteria over "illegal immigration" is way overblown. After 9/11, the government was looking for a scapegoat. But then again, I'm an "anchor baby".
See: http://www.pewhispanic.org/2015/11/19/more-mexicans-leaving-than-coming-to-the-u-s/

Are you pro choice or pro life?
Pro-life with strong safety nets to make sure that ALL children and families are able to be adequately fed, clothed, housed and educated, so people don't have to make that choice. Also pro-life means anti-death penalty.

Are you pro Obama care for a few or pro affordable health care for many?
I do not think that market forces are the answer. I am pro-universal health care for all. Obamacare (properly the Affordable Care Act) was a good start to introduce certain market controls such as no lifetime caps, no exclusions for pre-existing conditions. I still think it's a shame that over 60% of all household bankruptsies are due to medical debt.
http://www.cnbc.com/id/100840148 http://amjmed.org/under-aca-medical-bankruptcy-continues/

Are you for fair trade agreements? Or leave them as they are?
I don't think there's any such thing as "fair trade". Each side is angling for an advantage. The greed of the corporate overlords to make money and send manufacturing overseas is horrid. Any company that transfers jobs out of the US should be penalized. Not sure what that would look like, other than perhaps getting slapped with outrageous tariffs to import their goods, a higher tax rate, or something. Companies that were based in the US that choose to move their headquarters overseas to avoid paying US taxes yet still want to sell their goods in the US should also face penalties.
 

HankD

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Saved41199 you and I think alike on many issues. In my youth when I was in the service JFK was the president and to the GI's he was "our president" and he was well admired.

In those days and for many years later I was a JFK Democrat (there was no pro-life/pro-choice in those days).
My wife accuses me of being a closet liberal, well maybe but I am a staunch pro life supporter.
I did vote or the Bushes, very disappointed, now Trump. will see how he does.
I don't know that an expensive wall is the answer. I certainly don't want billions of dollars going towards something stupid. The truth is the net immigration from Central/South America is now in negative numbers. Let the Border Patrol do their jobs. I also think the hysteria over "illegal immigration" is way overblown. After 9/11, the government was looking for a scapegoat. But then again, I'm an "anchor baby".
See: http://www.pewhispanic.org/2015/11/19/more-mexicans-leaving-than-coming-to-the-u-s/
IMO A fence would not be necessary if we 1) Made it a crime for a manager or business owner to hire ANYONE who is not a citizen or who does have not a valid current Green Card. 2) With all the Information Technology talent we have here in the USA develop a meaningful VISA data base editting system and send ANYONE home whose Visa is expired.

Something Pro-life with strong safety nets to make sure that ALL children and families are able to be adequately fed, clothed, housed and educated, so people don't have to make that choice. Also pro-life means anti-death penalty.

I grew up in poverty and I know from experience what hunger is all about. However, something must be done to break the welfare mentality of "you owe me". Education (as you suggest) would go a long way to undo that bondage. When I was a teen, tried to go to the high school for "the gifted" in New Orleans when it opened.
I passed the test but couldn't come up with$100.00 for the several fees and admission papers. I asked several people and agencies to wave it for me. No one responded positively. Being young I gave up.

I hate the death penalty but tolerate it. If a "life sentence" meant until natural death (or proof of innocence) then I would strongly oppose it. Growing up in slums I knew people who walked free who were vicious killers and predators of the innocent and deserved to be 6 feet under. As children we were always targeted by them.
I do not think that market forces are the answer. I am pro-universal health care for all. Obamacare (properly the Affordable Care Act) was a good start to introduce certain market controls such as no lifetime caps, no exclusions for pre-existing conditions. I still think it's a shame that over 60% of all household bankruptcies are due to medical debt.
http://www.cnbc.com/id/100840148 http://amjmed.org/under-aca-medical-bankruptcy-continues/
ACA is/was an extension of the welfare system and IMO was not thought out sufficiently. Also, the manner in which it was dumped on us with deception (we have to pass the bill so you can find out whats in it, If you like your doctor...if you like your plan...$2500.00 reduction in annual premiums, etc) put a dark cloud over it.
I don't think there's any such thing as "fair trade". Each side is angling for an advantage. The greed of the corporate overlords to make money and send manufacturing overseas is horrid. Any company that transfers jobs out of the US should be penalized. Not sure what that would look like, other than perhaps getting slapped with outrageous tariffs to import their goods, a higher tax rate, or something. Companies that were based in the US that choose to move their headquarters overseas to avoid paying US taxes yet still want to sell their goods in the US should also face penalties.
Agreed.

HankD
 

saved41199

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ACA is/was an extension of the welfare system and IMO was not thought out sufficiently. Also, the manner in which it was dumped on us with deception (we have to pass the bill so you can find out whats in it, If you like your doctor...if you like your plan...$2500.00 reduction in annual premiums, etc) put a dark cloud over it.

There are some of us who live in fear of losing health care coverage. There is NO way that, for example, my husband's monthly health care costs could be covered out of pocket. His prescriptions alone run about 6 thousand dollars per month. Our monthly income right now is roughly 1400.00 per month. Fortunately, he has the VA. Thing is, I don't think people should have to face choosing to keep their home or pay for medical care (even WITH insurance). The 80-20 split can bankrupt anyone who runs into a major medical issue. IF we'd had that sort of coverage, we'd still be paying on over 100K of medical bills for ONE surgery or filing bankruptsy. I am in favor of Bernie Sanders' plan. A 2% payroll tax for single-payer medical coverage. The advantages are many. First, it takes the insurance industry and profit margin out of the equation. Second, it gives great bargaining power to the government to try to beat back big Pharma. I don't believe it would hurt the hospitals and medical community nearly as much as it is claimed. You can talk all you want about "waiting for medical care" and "dying because certain surgeries wouldn't be done". Thing is, that is happening NOW with our current system. As I said elsewhere, I have files of appeal letters just for my husband. I'm not the only one.

I do not see universal health care as a liberal/conservative position. I see it as a logical outgrowth of my reading of Matthew 25:31-46.
 

HankD

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There are some of us who live in fear of losing health care coverage. There is NO way that, for example, my husband's monthly health care costs could be covered out of pocket. His prescriptions alone run about 6 thousand dollars per month. Our monthly income right now is roughly 1400.00 per month. Fortunately, he has the VA. Thing is, I don't think people should have to face choosing to keep their home or pay for medical care (even WITH insurance). The 80-20 split can bankrupt anyone who runs into a major medical issue. IF we'd had that sort of coverage, we'd still be paying on over 100K of medical bills for ONE surgery or filing bankruptcy. I am in favor of Bernie Sanders' plan. A 2% payroll tax for single-payer medical coverage. The advantages are many. First, it takes the insurance industry and profit margin out of the equation. Second, it gives great bargaining power to the government to try to beat back big Pharma. I don't believe it would hurt the hospitals and medical community nearly as much as it is claimed. You can talk all you want about "waiting for medical care" and "dying because certain surgeries wouldn't be done". Thing is, that is happening NOW with our current system. As I said elsewhere, I have files of appeal letters just for my husband. I'm not the only one.

I do not see universal health care as a liberal/conservative position. I see it as a logical outgrowth of my reading of Matthew 25:31-46.
I am hoping that the Trump administration will listen to other voices such as Bernie.
He does have some good ideas.
Not sure how he would fund a no cost higher education plan though.

But that sounds like that's the least of your needs right now.

I understand your concerns, my wife and I are both retired on a limited income and had it not been for Medicare Advantage I would be long gone. I was able to see a beautiful new granddaughter come into the world.

I'm praying for you and yours.

HankD
 

Yeshua1

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There are some of us who live in fear of losing health care coverage. There is NO way that, for example, my husband's monthly health care costs could be covered out of pocket. His prescriptions alone run about 6 thousand dollars per month. Our monthly income right now is roughly 1400.00 per month. Fortunately, he has the VA. Thing is, I don't think people should have to face choosing to keep their home or pay for medical care (even WITH insurance). The 80-20 split can bankrupt anyone who runs into a major medical issue. IF we'd had that sort of coverage, we'd still be paying on over 100K of medical bills for ONE surgery or filing bankruptsy. I am in favor of Bernie Sanders' plan. A 2% payroll tax for single-payer medical coverage. The advantages are many. First, it takes the insurance industry and profit margin out of the equation. Second, it gives great bargaining power to the government to try to beat back big Pharma. I don't believe it would hurt the hospitals and medical community nearly as much as it is claimed. You can talk all you want about "waiting for medical care" and "dying because certain surgeries wouldn't be done". Thing is, that is happening NOW with our current system. As I said elsewhere, I have files of appeal letters just for my husband. I'm not the only one.

I do not see universal health care as a liberal/conservative position. I see it as a logical outgrowth of my reading of Matthew 25:31-46.

Think that we can do much betetr than having Go
vt mandated, govt in charge health care though. Why not have Insurance companies be able to shop across state lines, as I know Blue Cross not same in all 50 states fo same coverage, an why do do as Luthryns do, hve churches and temselves cover insurance costs? They divde medical expenses aong all Lutherym members in the group?
 

steaver

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Pro-life with strong safety nets to make sure that ALL children and families are able to be adequately fed, clothed, housed and educated, so people don't have to make that choice. Also pro-life means anti-death penalty.
Then i am satisfied that you would never have voted for Hillary......or Obama. Blessings!
 
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