Trump issues shocking statement about ‘alt-left,’ their involvement in Charlottesville terror attack

[Rob_BW]

Yes, as long as that speech falls within the court definitions of free speech. Do you agree?

However, that does not mean I agree with their stated goals, their philosophy and actions. Almost everything they espouse is immoral.

But, you did not answer my question. Do you support the philosophy of the KKK and Whities?

See, that wasn't so bad.

I do not support the KKK, Nazis (neo or paleo), communists, any group that seeks to divide the nation over race, or any group that believes in the superiority of any race.

But these groups have the right to peaceably assemble.

 

[Matt Black]

Here's how conservatives don't tie themselves to racism: Fascism is not Conservatism, and conservatives must make that clear

 

[Matt Black]

Dumbest statement I've seen in a while.

True though

 

[Rob_BW]

Guys all of this trying to tie Trump to hate and trying to tie conservatives to racism is all about getting rid of Trump no matter how much the left needs to get down in the gutter. They are willing to do anything and will be vicious about it kind of like we are seeing on this board. Its dishonest, its unChristian, it lacks any kind of integrity, and it is as evil and their assertions.

Pretty much.

 

[Rob_BW]

I thankfully haven't fought in any wars. Neither did my father. That's because my grandfathers by defeating Naziism, and their generation's post-war settlement in Europe, including NATO and the EU, ensured we did not have to. I hoped that my children would not have to either. But, sadly, that legacy that my grandfathers' generation fought for so hard is now being undermined by Brexit and the likes of Trump and the Nazis. So I really fear for the future now, not so much for me but for my kids. Truly scary times. So, no, I haven't fought in a war, thanks be to God, but if the English Defence League or Britain First marches in my town, I would leave my desk and my office and man the barricades against them, like the good folk in Charlottesville did. I'd probably get my head kicked in and need a new suit, but I would have done my small part.

Is your nation not equipped to quell an uprising? Or are you afraid that they are like 1930s Germany?

 

[Matt Black]

Is your nation not equipped to quell an uprising? Or are you afraid that they are like 1930s Germany?

You'll find that we waged a pretty successful war against terrorism in Northern Ireland from 1969 to 1997 that forced the terrorists to the negotiating table and to renounce terrorism.

The other difference is that the far right are not armed here unlike in your country. Thus they are not such a threat to our democracy.

 

[Rob_BW]

You'll find that we waged a pretty successful war against terrorism in Northern Ireland from 1969 to 1997 that forced the terrorists to the negotiating table and to renounce terrorism.

So you left it to the professionals? Good thinking. Sending a group of masked vigilates probably wouldn't have worked.

As far as it goes over here, I reckon if the Nazis and KKK decide it's time to get it on, the proper authorities would be able to handle it without intervention from communist antifa groups. They would probably only escalate things.

 

[Matt Black]

So you left it to the professionals? Good thinking. Sending a group of masked vigilates probably wouldn't have worked.

We wouldn't have let the far right come armed to the party in the first place.

 

[Alcott]

The courts have placed limits on speech...
Courts have ruled the following partial list is not protected speech:

1. advocating the use of force in promoting lawlessness
2. obscene speech is not protected
3. fighting words are not protected -- that is speech that incites a breach of peace
4. causes severe emotional distress.

Which faction violated these last Sat.?

 

[Crabtownboy]

See, that wasn't so bad.

I do not support the KKK, Nazis (neo or paleo), communists, any group that seeks to divide the nation over race, or any group that believes in the superiority of any race.

But these groups have the right to peaceably assemble.

Do you consider them peaceable in their actions last week?

 

[Matt Black]

Which faction violated these last Sat.?

2&4, possibly 3, were violated by the Nazis.

 

[Rob_BW]

Do you consider them peaceable in their actions last week?

I haven't watched any footage. Did anyone record the first punch being thrown?

If it was just them standing in the square, I don't see how it would have turned violent. It takes two to tango and all.

Both sides got what they wanted.

 

[Alcott]

2&4, possibly 3, were violated by the Nazis.

And which by the opposition?

 

[Squire Robertsson]

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[Crabtownboy]

I haven't watched any footage. Did anyone record the first punch being thrown?

If it was just them standing in the square, I don't see how it would have turned violent. It takes two to tango and all.

Both sides got what they wanted.

http://www.theroot.com/white-supremacists-beat-black-man-with-poles-in-charlot-1797790092

 

[Gold Dragon]

If this photo was involved in convincing you of the involvement of Antifa in Charlottesville, here is where the original photoshopped version is from.

FACT CHECK: Antifa Member Photographed Beating Police Officer?

 

[777]

Here's how conservatives don't tie themselves to racism: Fascism is not Conservatism, and conservatives must make that clear

This article was behind a paywall but Tim is right - fascism is anti-capitalism AND anti-Marxism. It was supposed to be a "third way", a compromise between the two.

Mussolini, the grand daddy of fascism, was a former Marxist and this is the way he defined fascism: nothing outside the state, everything in the state, nothing against the state. Hitler took fascism, added a racial element and turned it into Nazism, which is pretty much a dead philosophy to most.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

If this photo was involved in convincing you of the involvement of Antifa in Charlottesville, here is where the original photoshopped version is from.

FACT CHECK: Antifa Member Photographed Beating Police Officer?

It's nice to know how stupid you think we are.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

Jake Tapper's Twitter feed is gathering evidence of Antifa attacking journalists. I won't link to it on account of the language one of the reporters uses.

 

[Matt Black]

And which by the opposition?

Judge for yourself from these accounts of people who were actually there:

What the “Alt-Left” Trump Despises Was Actually Doing in Charlottesville Last Weekend

These are the 'alt-left' whom you President blames in part for the violence. I see ordinary folks being defended from fascist violence in these accounts. Ordinary normal people. That's kind of the point isn't it: 'anti fascist' is or should be pretty tautalogous in that, unless you're a Nazi yourself, your default setting is or should be anti-fascist. At Charlottesville, from the evidence presented by these eyewitnesses, Nazis fought against 'normal people'.