Me, I have no problem voting for the lesser of two evils. -Darrell C http://www.baptistboard.com/threads/how-glad-are-you.103199/page-2#post-2282319
Some of us do.
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Me, I have no problem voting for the lesser of two evils. -Darrell C http://www.baptistboard.com/threads/how-glad-are-you.103199/page-2#post-2282319
Some of us do.
As long as Christians vote for unacceptable candidates that are the lesser of two evils instead of making a stand, we will always have the two party system and terrible candidates. This was a good year to break the cycle. If more people were to do it we could have a third party with a chance. It wasn't that long ago for Ross Perot (I did not vote for him) and his winning of 19% of the vote.
Yeah, yeah....I know all about situational ethics. No thank you.
It's not a fact. who we vote for is who we vote for. I am not responsible for who others vote for. I am only responsible for who I vote for. Your point is born out of a poor use of logic. I have to be able to stand in the pulpit and preach on subjects like Holiness. Doing so would be hypocritical if I were to cast a vote for Trump given his very public history and lack of any known repentance. The candidate I voted for ( Darrel Castle) has no moral or ethical issues. He is pro-life, and he is a constitutionalist. Further he doesn't support gay rights.
I support the much of the same agenda as Trump. When I can I will support him in those issues. If the vote were tomorrow I would vote the exact same way. I hope Trump does well so long as he follows biblical and constitutional values.
Yep.
I got news for you. Darrel Castle is a sinner like all of us, and is just as guilty as you are for trying to trying to destroy any hope of saving the courts. Guys like Castle are not only less moral than Trump, they border on wickedness. They play an active role in deceiving Christians away from the good they ought to do for his own selfish gain.
Not only this, where did you get the impression that government officials had to be spotless like pastors? This is false doctrine, at the very least, and shows a misunderstanding of how God raised up the nations and their officials. Trump doesn't need to be sin free to get our votes, anymore than David needed to be sin free to reign over Israel. He merely needed to be on the right path, and willing to implement God's plan for governing officials—punishing evil and ministering to the innocent (Romans 13).
Darrel Castle's goal was to accomplish the exact opposite—to strip away any chance of a leader implementing righteous policies, such as preventing the unborn from being ripped apart in the womb. Success for him would have been death and suffering for many. That's not a righteous man, that's a vile, selfish, wicked man (at least in deed).
Here's the question again:
Darrell C said: ↑
What has your vote accomplished? A clear conscience?
Voting for the "lesser of two evils" has, just as I said prior to the election, accomplished getting a President who is not pro-choice (at least for now), which means a pro-active involvement in the Pro-Life arena. Further, just last night heard that he (Trump) has also mentioned the deaths of Christians in the world.
As I also said prior to the election, I am not going to vilify those who "voted their conscience," but at the least recognize that a vote for Trump has great potential for lives being saved, which is contrasted to Clinton winning, in which things will continue to steadily deteriorate in this country.
God bless.
It is a fact: voting third party accomplished nothing. It is a waste of a vote in my view, and not a responsible involvement in what is going on in a number of arenas.
Only Trump and Clinton stood a chance of winning the election. That was a fact prior to the election, and it remains a fact.
If I wanted to vote my conscience...I'd have voted for John MacArthur.
God bless.
Darrell, you are a sore winner. Get over it.
Considering some of your previous comments in this thread, you seem to have forgotten your pledge.
Considering some of your previous comments in this thread, you seem to have forgotten your pledge.
Not really a pledge, lol, and I have not forgotten my position on it. That doesn't mean I will not freely state that I view that kind of a vote as poor stewardship for a Christian. That is just my assessment of what can be accomplished with the vote, but I do understand those having convictions that make them vote third party or not vote at all.
As far as being a "winner," I think you assume beyond what I have said: again, I view Trump as a secular man filling a secular office. I have been clear about that throughout all the discussions I have had. So I am not going to be surprised at anything Trump does, I will merely wait and see what God does. And I am hopeful in regards to Trump. His mention of the ratio of Christians compared to Muslim refugees and mention of Christian Persecution is a good sign in my view.
God bless.
It is a fact: voting third party accomplished nothing. It is a waste of a vote in my view, and not a responsible involvement in what is going on in a number of arenas.
Only Trump and Clinton stood a chance of winning the election. That was a fact prior to the election, and it remains a fact.
If I wanted to vote my conscience...I'd have voted for John MacArthur.
God bless.
It may be your view but your view is not the standard. So no its not a fact.
So tell me you actually thought before the election that a third party candidate stood a chance.
God bless.
As long as Christians vote for unacceptable candidates that are the lesser of two evils instead of making a stand, we will always have the two party system and terrible candidates. This was a good year to break the cycle. If more people were to do it we could have a third party with a chance.
That does not address the question:
Darrell C said: ↑
And I also ask you to present what it is you think you accomplished.
You are welcome to answer it now.
Your logic is not sound: that is why we have had eight years of the most godless man who ever stood as a President of the United States...because Christians did not get involved.
You are not being realistic to think that a Christian Candidate stands a chance in the state America is in now.
Many refused to vote for Romney because he was a Mormon. Well, guess what, we got Obama.
That is what was accomplished by third party voting.
Oh really. Could you expand on that and show me how any third party candidate stood a chance?
It'll never happen as long as (1) the Body of Christ remains a minority in America, (2) the Body of Christ remains so divided, and (3) the Liberal Agenda has such a strong hold on both secular society as well as professing Christians.
Lastly, we need to maintain a distance (as the Body) from secular government. I don't mean Christians should not be in politics but that we understand that the Body is not a political organization. The only way we are ever going to see a third party candidate run effectively is going to be with someone independent who has a popularity among people. There is rumor already that Oprah Winfrey is going to run in the next election. I think she would probably stand a good chance no matter what party she ran under.
God bless.
I didn't vote for any presidential candidate. If more and more people abstain from voting or vote third party candidates, they will become more viable. It's going to take a while, but the time to start is now.
God is not sovereign. Vote for the lesser of two evils.
Yep. And we'll continue to get lousy R and D candidates so long as we vote for lousy R and D candidates.
If more and more people abstain from voting or vote third party candidates, they will become more viable. It's going to take a while, but the time to start is now.
"God can't raise up a Christian candidate that could appeal to a wide variety of people. We'd be better off relying on the same old ways we've used in the past."
Maintaining one's principles at the voting booth is not poor stewardship. It is Character.
A clear conscience would be my guess.
Not voting will make third party candidates more viable?
Nonsense.
God is Sovereign.
America has turned their back on Him, and that includes much of Modern Christendom. That is why we have so called Christians advocating abortion and homosexuality. That is why there are people who think there is a debate about what bathroom men and women should have the right to use.
There are simply too many liberals and people scrounging off of the Government for a Christian Candidate, who remains true to Christian Doctrine...to win. You are unrealistic if you think otherwise.
Is that a fact? Seems like to me that we got a "Republican" not supplied by the Political Mill who seems to be more conservative and in tune with America than the "Republicans" that ran against him.
This is absurd, but lets entertain the absurdity and ask...so what happens in the meantime? Abortion becomes mandated? Homosexuality 101 is taught in elementary school?
I cannot believe this is your answer to the problems this country faces and the impact it has on Christians.
God has no intention of taking a lower position of control such as the President of the United States. God can raise up a Christian to run, to be sure, but you can better believe that he is not going to get the votes of the liberals, who, by the way, are not nearly as lazy as the typical Christian. They are out there vying for their belief systems while many so-called Christians sit on their duffs and complain about the state of things.
And as far as the "same old ways," (1) you are equating the Body with our role as Americans, and (2) I see some strikingly new things in the very short time Trump has been President. To name a few, mention of Christian persecution around the world contrasted with a strictly Muslim focus.
That in itself is a lot better than the "new" things Obama brought. Man, some people took "change" quite literal. Who'd have thought that a change from man to woman was one of those things.
God bless.
As I said, its just my opinion. If your opinion is that this represents character more power to you.
God bless.
If it has to be guessed at nothing has been accomplished.
Whereas I can say that if Trump holds true to his campaign promises one thing that will be accomplished is that my money will no longer be used to fund contraception and abortions. Another would be in regards to Supreme Court Nominees. Another would be a change from a Muslim Mania to a more equal observation of Christian Persecution.
So yes, a clear conscience, I can understand that, but, that does not equate to a sense of accomplishment.
God bless.