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Trump Republicans Most Likely Don't Go to Church
- Thread starter InTheLight
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I'd be very with this. Do you also disagree with the abolitionist movement? Civil rights movement? These were political.
Just because something is political doesn't mean it's not wrong and shouldn't be fought.
It's not hard to reconcile your experience with Pew's actual polls and analysis.
The disconnect is with others' pronouncements that misrepresent Pew's research.
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Why do I owe an apology? What did I accuse you of? I merely said Christians shouldn't be pro choice.
I have never heard you say a single word against Obama or Hillary. I have never heard you say a positive word of any republican. In fact you only troll conservative views. Please explain.
No, you claimed that I was in favor of abortion. (That part was edited out by the Administration.) Your apology is warranted because you cannot quote me anywhere on this site saying as much.
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Sorry, that's not what I said. You is plural or singular in the english language. I'm merely say you (plural) should be be pro life and vote pro life if your'e a Christian. you don't vote pro life for some reason please explain.
Plural "You" did not fit the context of what you wrote. Be honest.
I tried google, and couldn't get an answer, but was Pew the firm that quit doing actual election polls? I know it was one of the major polling companies.It's not hard to reconcile your experience with Pew's actual polls and analysis.
The disconnect is with others' pronouncements that misrepresent Pew's research.
http://assets.pewresearch.org/wp-co...6/07/PF_2016.07.13_religionpolitics-00-07.png
Plural just means you can use the term "you" in a way that speaks generally of people and not specifically at some one. I believe that's how I used it. I wish the quote was still there. Can you rewrite the quote to the best of your recollection?
I can say that I'll give you the benefit of the doubt if you say you're pro life. But I look at your posting history and don't see it.
Then you are not looking very hard.
True, but call it what it is instead of trying to give it an unwarranted spiritual context. Mixing humanist precepts with doctrine will never work out. Apples and oranges.
Those movements you mention were political. If I already spoke highly of freedom, why did you even need to ask me those questions? How do you feel about Paul's advice to slaves about their owners?
I'll say it again: Jesus didn't come to save the world through a strong and pious legislature.
And to quote my beloved pastor: "A good athiest can run circles around even the most moral of Christians."
Some people are looking at the outside. Christianity is invisible. (ie 'praying in the street' 'whitewashed tombstones' etc)
Yes, as long as their policies are going to preserve our freedoms and make the nation greater. Keep in mind, a vote for a candidate has absolutely nothing to do with their married life, or lack thereof, whose dressing room they walk into. When my car needs a mechanic I want the man who knows how to FIX it. I don't evaluate the spiritual condition and behavior of the mechanic. We could use the example of a doctor also. There are plenty of decent, well mannered, Christian doctors out there who still practice medicine like it's 1959. Sure, I can worship with them, but don't let them cut me open, I want the one with the credentials, and so should you. Trump has proven to be a leader of men, and that's what the nation needs, that's what it has always needed.
We need a President that has sound judgment. Running the country is not the same as getting your car fixed or going to the doctor. The President makes decisions that affect millions of people, life and death decisions, decisions to go to war, for example, and kill people. Decisions affecting our freedom, our livelihoods. Because of this, we need leaders that have good judgment, good morals. Trump has walked away from two marriages and several business ventures. He's bankrupted casinos! Sorry, I don't want a person with that kind of poor judgment running the country.
By definition, a person with good morals has already got a great start on having good judgment. A person that cheats on his wife, runs a business that makes money off the misery of losing hard earned dollars (casinos), walks into dressing rooms to peep on naked women, fondles women without their consent, does not have good judgment, IMO.
Actually you're at odds with Scripture on this one. When Paul laid out the qualifications for governing officials, He made no mention of them needing to be Christians or needing to meet a large litany of moral requirements. They merely need to be able to perform the specific task of punishing evil and ministering to the innocent (Romans 13). In many ways, their qualifications are simple (not easy, but simple). Can they effectively keep order by controlling evil?
In my view, Trump excels at this more than any president in the last 3 decades. He's tough on threats to our nation and compassionate to the innocent (the unborn in particular).
To go beyond this, and attach other requirements to governing officials is going beyond Scripture and getting into personal opinion.
[edit] Also, just thinking this through, going by personal morality could cause us to make the wrong political choices. Obama was a very smooth politician. He had the charm and the demeanor many people liked, and many Christians made the mistake of ignoring his actual policy positions. He appeared to be good by societal standards and even biblical standards. He is still married to his original wife, speaks nice, dresses nice, smiles a lot........yet governed in total opposition to God's purpose for nations and governing officials. His policies were wicked, yet his demeanor was good, and therefore many—even many Christians—chose to support him.
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I'll be honest, I'm not very familiar with PEW research council, but I know they are at least reputable. Still, I find it odd that they felt the need to even take this particular poll, and also that there are people ( outside of those actually running the campaigns) who feel the results are beneficial in any sense, as if people actually vote for a candidate based off of the belief system of a candidate's supporters. ???
* My apologies, I may have accidentally deleted part of the op message
This is a great post.
Only time will tell what kind of leader President Trump will be, which is one reason why we should pray for him and our nation.
It's not a matter of "blaming God". The book of Job proves that to be a mug's game. It is a matter of recognizing that God sets rulers up and brings them down.