Trump Said Nothing Wrong On January 6th

[JonC]

Flags are starting to be flown upside down across the nation, as the reality of the bitter internal conflict of this nation is being understood.

Flags have been flying upside down for at least four years.

 

[Use of Time]

Let me ask you this, what happens if when the states finish their investigations they find out the election really was stolen. Do you think that it is still a resolved matter "where it matters?" That's such an asinine thing to say. Nothing has been resolved except who will be occupying the White House for the next four years because of process, not because of an election.

Which states? The Republicans in Georgia that Trump tried to bully into finding votes? The Republicans in PA that are defending their position and have pushed back against Trump?

 

[JonC]

That's not what the law says.

That is what the Constitution says. Congress had no basis for rejecting the votes of the State. Pence had no basis for stopping Congress from receiving the votes of the State.

 

[Revmitchell]

I have wondered this as well. One of the things I do like about President Trump is that he is not a politician. It could be that he really believed that Pence could stop Congress, or that Congress could somehow overturn the State and reject the elector's certificates. A lot of his followers believed that, and I do not know that Trump did not himself believe his words were true.

I think we can easily blame the Democrats and the media for their actions thorough out the past four years for Jan 6. Maybe the GOP shares blame for capitalizing on and pushing the false narrative as well.

But in the end, we are responsible for our words. And while President Trump may have believed his words true, he could have easily sought to verify the information and would have learned otherwise. He is still responsible for keeping it going even if it was "willful ignorance".

So your accusation of "lies" was likely over the top and an example of the kind of rhetoric we need to tone down around here?

 

[JonC]

This is a bit interesting.

For those who believe President Trump was correct and Pence had the power to reject the electoral college votes, please provide a reference for this power.

 

[JonC]

So your accusation of "lies" was likely over the top and an example of the kind of rhetoric we need to tone down around here?

No. They were lies. And Trump said them. We cannot get around that.

Websters provides that a lie is "an untrue or inaccurate statement that may or may not be believed true by the speaker or writer".

We do not know if President Trump believed the lie. But given the circumstances it was his responsibility to find out before repeating it so often in the days before Jan 6.

 

[Revmitchell]

No. They were lies. And Trump said them. We cannot get around that.

Websters provides that a lie is "an untrue or inaccurate statement that may or may not be believed true by the speaker or writer".

We do not know if President Trump believed the lie. But given the circumstances it was his responsibility to find out before repeating it so often in the days before Jan 6.

Actually websters says its with intent to deceive.
Definition of LIE

 

[JonC]

Actually websters says its with intent to deceive.
Definition of LIE

From your link:
"an untrue or inaccurate statement that may or may not be believed true by the speaker or writer".

In that context (per your definition) Trump told lies. But he may have simply been irresponsible.

 

[Reformed1689]

This is a bit interesting.

For those who believe President Trump was correct and Pence had the power to reject the electoral college votes, please provide a reference for this power.

For the record, I have not been arguing Pence had any power to reject the electoral college votes. Pence only presided over the senate he can't unilaterally say this election doesn't count.

 

[Revmitchell]

From your link:
"an untrue or inaccurate statement that may or may not be believed true by the speaker or writer".

In that context (per your definition) Trump told lies. But he may have simply been irresponsible.

: an assertion of something known or believed by the speaker or writer to be untrue with intent to deceiveHe told a lie to avoid punishment.


So just to be clear, even though the admin of this board has given out points to other board members for saying that they lied, and we were just given notice that the rhetoric needs to be toned down with regards to Biden, thats what you are going with?

At a minimum your words are inconsistent with all of that. You get that right?

 

[Yeshua1]

This is a dangerous philosophy, brother.

Why should the actions of the DNC change how Christians are to act???

It should not, be why is it that when Trump was in office, so many Christians refused to pray for him, or even say anything good about his accomplishments?

 

[JonC]

For the record, I have not been arguing Pence had any power to reject the electoral college votes. Pence only presided over the senate he can't unilaterally say this election doesn't count.

Where is Congresses authority to reject the electors confirmed by the states?

 

[Yeshua1]

Where is Congresses authority to reject the electors confirmed by the states?

Maybe when there is clear evidence of widespread voter fraud?

 

[JonC]

: an assertion of something known or believed by the speaker or writer to be untrue with intent to deceiveHe told a lie to avoid punishment.


So just to be clear, even though the admin of this board has given out points to other board members for saying that they lied, and we were just given notice that the rhetoric needs to be toned down with regards to Biden, thats what you are going with?

At a minimum your words are inconsistent with all of that. You get that right?

No. You are mistaking. When a member calls another a liar it is generally removed for provoking the other member (because the word has more than one meaning).

But President Trump is not a member here, therefore none of us are provoking President Trump.

 

[JonC]

Maybe when there is clear evidence of widespread voter fraud?

No, that does not give Congress the authority to overrule a State vote.

 

[Revmitchell]

No. You are mistaking. When a member calls another a liar it is generally removed for provoking the other member (because the word has more than one meaning).

But President Trump is not a member here, therefore none of us are provoking President Trump.

Sigh, didnt you guys just tell us to be careful of how we talk about Biden yall needed to tone down the rhetoric around here?

 

[JonC]

It should not, be why is it that when Trump was in office, so many Christians refused to pray for him, or even say anything good about his accomplishments?

I do not know anyone who refused to pray for him, otherwise I'd ask for you. I do not think people are obligated to say good things about the accomplishments of others.

 

[JonC]

Sigh, didnt you guys just tell us to be careful of how we talk about Biden yall needed to tone down the rhetoric around here?

Yes. And Biden has told his share of lies as well.

 

[Yeshua1]

I do not know anyone who refused to pray for him, otherwise I'd ask for you. I do not think people are obligated to say good things about the accomplishments of others.

many in my own church refised him as even being really the president, and refused to pray for him, as he was a bulley and did not act "christ like" to them!

 

[Yeshua1]

Yes. And Biden has told his share of lies as well.

BOTH him and his former boss!