Trump Said Nothing Wrong On January 6th

[Revmitchell]

The purpose of Jan. 6 is not for Congress to decide if they will accept the electors certificates as sent by the states. They debate, but in the end they have to accept the results. Congress could not constitutionally reject the decisions of the states.

If the Supreme Court had declared the election in a state unconstitutional then it may be different, but they did not.

This was just part of the misinformation Trump supporters were told, but it was in fact a lie.

Or, could it have honestly been believed by them and they were just honestly wrong? Is lying the only option or is that de rhetoric even necessary? Dont we want to tamper down the rhetoric around here?

 

[Use of Time]

Or, could it have honestly been believed by them and they were just honestly wrong? Is lying the only option or is that de rhetoric even necessary? Dont we want to tamper down the rhetoric around here?

It is what it is. A lie. After the court cases it was time to let it go because there were no more legal ways to challenge. The continued instance of their being some significance to the 6th to his supporters just kept fanning the flames.

And naturally their will be those that go to jail because of this lie but nothing will happen to him of course because that is his style of leadership. Use and discard people along the way. Just ask Mike Pence.

 

[Reformed1689]

It is what it is. A lie. After the court cases it was time to let it go because there were no more legal ways to challenge. The continued instance of their being some significance to the 6th to his supporters just kept fanning the flames.

And naturally their will be those that go to jail because of this lie but nothing will happen to him of course because that is his style of leadership. Use and discard people along the way. Just ask Mike Pence.

This is a lie. There was significance for January 6th. Congress COULD have done something, an Electoral Commission. They are not obligated to blindly accept the Electoral College. There is also precedent for this in the 1876 election of President Hayes.

 

[Use of Time]

This is a lie. There was significance for January 6th. Congress COULD have done something, an Electoral Commission. They are not obligated to blindly accept the Electoral College. There is also precedent for this in the 1876 election of President Hayes.

There has been no evidence to warrant a commission.

 

[Reformed1689]

There has been no evidence to warrant a commission.

Oh brother keep your head in the sand if you want.

 

[Use of Time]

Oh brother keep your head in the sand if you want.

You can just keep saying that all you want but it has been settled where it matters.

 

[Reformed1689]

You can just keep saying that all you want but it has been settled where it matters.

No, we will have a new administration, yes, but that does not mean anything has been settled. This country is divided and rightfully so. It is being held hostage.

I predict civil war is in our future.

 

[rsr]

This is a lie. There was significance for January 6th. Congress COULD have done something, an Electoral Commission. They are not obligated to blindly accept the Electoral College. There is also precedent for this in the 1876 election of President Hayes.

This is just silly. The vote is regulated by the Electoral Count Act of 1887, which does not give Congress the power to form a commission. Besides, the havoc caused by the 1876 commission is something no one should wish to emulate.

 

[Use of Time]

No, we will have a new administration, yes, but that does not mean anything has been settled. This country is divided and rightfully so. It is being held hostage.

I predict civil war is in our future.

It’s settled where it matters I said. You can toil over it however you need to.

 

[Reformed1689]

It’s settled where it matters I said. You can toil over it however you need to.

Let me ask you this, what happens if when the states finish their investigations they find out the election really was stolen. Do you think that it is still a resolved matter "where it matters?" That's such an asinine thing to say. Nothing has been resolved except who will be occupying the White House for the next four years because of process, not because of an election.

 

[Reformed1689]

This is just silly. The vote is regulated by the Electoral Count Act of 1887, which does not give Congress the power to form a commission. Besides, the havoc caused by the 1876 commission is something no one should wish to emulate.

It's better than the havoc created by the Democratic Party with this election.

 

[rsr]

Folderol. It is the president who made a hash of the election by lying about it early and often. And the fact is the Congress has no power to institute such a commission, which would have no constitutional authority at all.

 

[JonC]

Or, could it have honestly been believed by them and they were just honestly wrong? Is lying the only option or is that de rhetoric even necessary? Dont we want to tamper down the rhetoric around here?

I have wondered this as well. One of the things I do like about President Trump is that he is not a politician. It could be that he really believed that Pence could stop Congress, or that Congress could somehow overturn the State and reject the elector's certificates. A lot of his followers believed that, and I do not know that Trump did not himself believe his words were true.

I think we can easily blame the Democrats and the media for their actions thorough out the past four years for Jan 6. Maybe the GOP shares blame for capitalizing on and pushing the false narrative as well.

But in the end, we are responsible for our words. And while President Trump may have believed his words true, he could have easily sought to verify the information and would have learned otherwise. He is still responsible for keeping it going even if it was "willful ignorance".

 

[JonC]

Folderol. It is the president who made a hash of the election by lying about it early and often. And the fact is the Congress has no power to institute such a commission, which would have no constitutional authority at all.

This is where President Trump was to blame. Both sides had enough lies to make Satan blush. But President Trump took it too far by continuing down that path all the way to January 6. There comes a time when you have to admit defeat, even if you think you lost unfairly. Without a decision to the contrary by the Supreme Court there was absolutely no basis for the votes of the State to be disputed in Congress. The States certify their election. It's just a ceremony afterwards.

 

[JonC]

Just ironic to me many Christians, all of the Dems and fake media want us to just shut up and play nice and accept the takeover, and to fully embrace President Biden, and yet the same NEVER accepted Trump, much less pray and embrace him!

This is a dangerous philosophy, brother.

Why should the actions of the DNC change how Christians are to act???

 

[Reformed1689]

It is the president who made a hash of the election by lying about it early and often.

What did he lie about?

 

[xlsdraw]

A divorce is in order. There are absolute unresolvable differences. The current state of affairs is both sides running to favorable judges to try to force their way on the other side. This is what has bred the increasing hatred that is present. A divorce is the only reasonable path. Sadly, their is a void of reasonable Politicians in Washington.

 

[Reformed1689]

This is where President Trump was to blame. Both sides had enough lies to make Satan blush. But President Trump took it too far by continuing down that path all the way to January 6. There comes a time when you have to admit defeat, even if you think you lost unfairly. Without a decision to the contrary by the Supreme Court there was absolutely no basis for the votes of the State to be disputed in Congress. The States certify their election. It's just a ceremony afterwards.

That's not what the law says.

 

[xlsdraw]

Flags are starting to be flown upside down across the nation, as the reality of the bitter internal conflict of this nation is being understood.

 

[JonC]

Some of that makes sense, but the GOP gained big league by riding Trump’s coattails. They stand to lose all they gained and more by dissing him. I noticed only one joined the inane unconstitutional Dem resolution calling on Pence to unconstitutionally invoke the 25th amendment. A handful more abstained. With their powerful Media, especially Big Tech, the Dems were able to capitalize on a caricature of Trump. They are a party of unparalleled hate and hypocrisy.

Some did gain big by riding Trump's coattails. And I think that they may have been able to keep that gain had Trump not kept on pushing things and turned on many of those who had supported them. In the end, American politics is all about power and the American politician is all about their own power.

I also hate hypocrisy. I hate it that many will say it would be unconstitutional for Pence to invoke the 25th amendment (I agree it was, as was this impeachment process) bit at the same time condemn Pence for not unconstitutionally stopping the election ceremony in Congress or condemn Congress for not rejecting the certified votes of the State.