Trump Said Nothing Wrong On January 6th

[Reformed1689]

I have a suggestion, remove the political threads on this forum... they are not helping the cause of furthering Christianity. I think we can all agree to that. Sure you will loose some participation but I’m betting that you will gain in the long run, by emphasizing Christ and not by emphasizing politics. You decide.

Pretty amazing coming from a liberal who supports anti-christian politics. This is just more attempted censorship from the left.

 

[JonC]

Trump insisting Pence decide unilaterally was admittedly too much. The stance of actually investigating the evident fraud and irregularities more closely and bipartisanly was spot on, and many Reps including Pence were all for that, which would have delayed confirming the votes.

The extremely weak defense of the Capitol (looked suspiciously like an escort) against "fringe" supporters and infiltrators made sure that was off the table. The associated deaths, which still lack important info and context, made absolutely sure.

Of course, had it been BLM/Antifa against a Trump confirmation, it would have all been fully justified by the Dem Media. And Trump still would have been banned by Big Tech. Yes, the Dems are just that hypocritical, and more so.

Ultimately the ones most responsible was the media and the DNC as they ignored what was going on over the past year. People felt disenfranchised and it came to a boiling point. My complaint against Trump was his contribution to the heat so late in the game. On Jan 6 he should have toned down the rhetoric but instead he turned it up.

 

[SavedByGrace]

Yeah, that's every country by that standard...

Most but not every

 

[Reformed1689]

Ultimately the ones most responsible was the media and the DNC as they ignored what was going on over the past year. People felt disenfranchised and it came to a boiling point. My complaint against Trump was his contribution to the heat so late in the game. On Jan 6 he should have toned down the rhetoric but instead he turned it up.

I disagree. The 6th was he final shot. That was the day to ramp everything up the most.

 

[Reformed1689]

Most but not every

My point is that it is stupid to somehow say the US is unique in that situation and that somehow should impact policy and procedure in any way.

 

[SavedByGrace]

My point is that it is stupid to somehow say the US is unique in that situation and that somehow should impact policy and procedure in any way.

The fact is that too many immigrants who do not share the same values and faith, does great damage to a country like the US and UK

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

I have thought the same. Politics is a stumbling block to so many.

We are a society based off of merit and we should succeed or fail due to merit or lack there of. Less— fortunate—people are inclined to become envious, not asking themselves, of course, why others have more than themselves and what industry, intelligence, and sleepless ambition produce such luxury and how it is earned by sweat, self denial and superior intelligence, or what superb villainy. But everyone who has to count his pennies feel that in some Fashon those who surpass them in mind and will and ingenuity have “exploited” them and by their wealth have taken money from their own pockets. This thinking process is evident in many ways... generally in people who view themselves entitled to something or another.

There is nothing more dangerous than inferior people who has convinced themselves that they are being deprived of what they feel is due them. Can you point out the dangerous ones on this board? They want vengeance for some injustice done to them, something has been taken away, or someone has hurt them and they must exact justice in retaliation yada yada hint hint.

Politics just heightens this reactionary mentality and division so by hosting it this board will continue to have difficulties.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Especially Liberal politics which is ruining the world

Define your statement. ‘The World’

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

Pretty amazing coming from a liberal who supports anti-christian politics. This is just more attempted censorship from the left.

Ahh but I’m neither a liberal nor anti-Christian.

BTW have you answered my questions yet... are you a pastor and if so do you bring politics into the church?

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

I disagree. The 6th was he final shot. That was the day to ramp everything up the most.

So was it worth it?

 

[JonC]

I disagree. The 6th was he final shot. That was the day to ramp everything up the most.

January 6th was too late. Congress had no choice but to address the certificates (to debate and confirm or challenge the validity of the certificates). Congress could debate but they had no grounds not to accept the certificates (they were not the ones who could determine if there was issues).

The organization that has the most blame is the media. They allowed the DNC to create a false narrative and to do so unchallenged while dismissing any other voice.

The Biden and Trump are equally to blame insofar as propaganda issues, but this is just a part of politics. A good leader knows when to stand down. There was nothing Trump could do to prevent Congress from reading the certificates. It was a done deal.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

The fact is that too many immigrants who do not share the same values and faith, does great damage to a country like the US and UK

I’ve experienced the opposite. The recent immigrants I know work harder, smarter and longer than Americans and for less money making them a very productive work force.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

January 6th was too late. Congress had no choice but to address the certificates (to debate and confirm or challenge the validity of the certificates). Congress could debate but they had no grounds not to accept the certificates (they were not the ones who could determine if there was issues).

The organization that has the most blame is the media. They allowed the DNC to create a false narrative and to do so unchallenged while dismissing any other voice.

The Biden and Trump are equally to blame insofar as propaganda issues, but this is just a part of politics. A good leader knows when to stand down. There was nothing Trump could do to prevent Congress from reading the certificates. It was a done deal.

Regarding a done deal, not as far as the darling leader is concerned.... and I don’t think he is finished. He could possibly foment more anarchy with his never say die attitude.

 

[JonC]

Regarding a done deal, not as far as the darling leader is concerned.... and I don’t think he is finished. He could possibly foment more anarchy with his never say die attitude.

It is interesting. I think that Trump would have had the ability to start a small party (like the Tea Party) from within the Republicans. But his treatment of the GOP leadership made it worth it, to several, to at least diminish his influence as much as they can. Trump is caustic to the DNC and GOP alike. But the GOP has most to gain with taking a stand against President Trump.

 

[SavedByGrace]

It is interesting. I think that Trump would have had the ability to start a small party (like the Tea Party) from within the Republicans. But his treatment of the GOP leadership made it worth it, to several, to at least diminish his influence as much as they can. Trump is caustic to the DNC and GOP alike. But the GOP has most to gain with taking a stand against President Trump.

Donald Trump is history! He will never again be the POTUS.

 

[Reformed1689]

Congress could debate but they had no grounds not to accept the certificates (they were not the ones who could determine if there was issues).

I disagree. That is the whole purpose of January 6th.

 

[Reformed1689]

So was it worth it?

Yes.

 

[Reformed1689]

Ahh but I’m neither a liberal nor anti-Christian.

BTW have you answered my questions yet... are you a pastor and if so do you bring politics into the church?

No I am not a pastor, not that it is relevant to this conversation, and I absolutely believe churches should talk about politics.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

It is interesting. I think that Trump would have had the ability to start a small party (like the Tea Party) from within the Republicans. But his treatment of the GOP leadership made it worth it, to several, to at least diminish his influence as much as they can. Trump is caustic to the DNC and GOP alike. But the GOP has most to gain with taking a stand against President Trump.

Oh your suggesting he was a rebel with potential ... well maybe but he continuously stepped on himself and relied on his people to cover for him. I recall him saying that he could shoot someone down in the streets and he would be protected by his people... therefore he was immune to laws we peons have to live by.... therefore the rule of law does not apply too him. From that point on I considered trump to be both delusional & dangerous.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

No I am not a pastor, not that it is relevant to this conversation, and I absolutely believe churches should talk about politics.

OK I disagree. My choice of churches relies on the church spelling out separation of church and state.