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Trump too conservative for the modern Church?

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Yeshua1

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Trump ran on defunding Planned Parenthood. You helped Planned Parenthood by opposing Trump.

The pro life position is voting for the pro life candidate who can win. Period, no caveat.
Some hate Trump so much that he will always been like the antichrist to them!
 

blessedwife318

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Trump ran on defunding Planned Parenthood. You helped Planned Parenthood by opposing Trump.

The pro life position is voting for the pro life candidate who can win. Period, no caveat.
No He ran on only defunding them if they killed babies. That is why he talked about the "wonderful things they do"
The pro life position is they be defunded period.
Your moral relativism is on display here again.
Pro-life is to vote for pro-life candidates. period no caveat.

So Again What are you doing in your local community to help the unborn. Or did you just outsourced that to DC and wash your hands of it since you voted for Trump?
 

Calminian

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No He ran on only defunding them if they killed babies.

Yes, he wanted them to become pro life like he is. What's wrong with that? You wanted to help them so they could continue to be pro abortion.

Trump is truly pro life. You are an obstructionist to the pro life movement. You are a danger to the unborn.
 

Yeshua1

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No He ran on only defunding them if they killed babies. That is why he talked about the "wonderful things they do"
The pro life position is they be defunded period.
Your moral relativism is on display here again.
Pro-life is to vote for pro-life candidates. period no caveat.

So Again What are you doing in your local community to help the unborn. Or did you just outsourced that to DC and wash your hands of it since you voted for Trump?
Who would be the better choice, Hilliary, obama lite, or trump, in regards to the unborn?
 

Use of Time

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He's banned because he did nothing but troll. You want me banned because I have a different opinion that you. You and Blessed Wife are accusing Trump of being pro choice. I am defending Trump and setting the record straight. Why should I be banned for that?

You got a lot of nerve calling others a troll. I don't care if you are banned or not. It would be nice if you could chill out during a discussion instead of escalating everything to the point where you start calling people liars, liberals and start questioning their faith the minute they have the audacity to criticize Trump. It is obnoxious.

Also, you just said that I along with Blessed Wife are accusing Trump of being pro-choice. I haven't entered your argument so I would appreciate it if you would take five seconds before you again state a falsehood. I don't need to enter the argument, Blessedwife is doing an easy job batting you around in this thread.
 

Yeshua1

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You got a lot of nerve calling others a troll. I don't care if you are banned or not. It would be nice if you could chill out during a discussion instead of escalating everything to the point where you start calling people liars, liberals and start questioning their faith the minute they have the audacity to criticize Trump. It is obnoxious.

Also, you just said that I along with Blessed Wife are accusing Trump of being pro-choice. I haven't entered your argument so I would appreciate it if you would take five seconds before you again state a falsehood. I don't need to enter the argument, Blessedwife is doing an easy job batting you around in this thread.
There are many here who seem to have a hard time believing that God raised up trump to lead during this time...
 

blessedwife318

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Some hate Trump so much that he will always been like the antichrist to them!
Ironically the only people I have seen that seriously think this are Trump supporters. Although to be more accurate they think he is a forerunner to the "Messiah" but that doesn't stop them from talking about how Trump might be the Jewish "Messiah"

A false Messiah by definition is an antichrist.

But just to make it clear: I don't think Donald Trump is the Antichrist. But I do find it horrifying to see his supporters get excited at the idea that he might be either a false messiah, or a forerunner to a false messiah.
 

Yeshua1

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Ironically the only people I have seen that seriously think this are Trump supporters. Although to be more accurate they think he is a forerunner to the "Messiah" but that doesn't stop them from talking about how Trump might be the Jewish "Messiah"

A false Messiah by definition is an antichrist.

But just to make it clear: I don't think Donald Trump is the Antichrist. But I do find it horrifying to see his supporters get excited at the idea that he might be either a false messiah, or a forerunner to a false messiah.
Just saying that many, not you, seem to have an unholy gatred towards him, and are far from showing love of Christ towards him!
 

blessedwife318

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Yes, he wanted them to become pro life like he is. What's wrong with that? You wanted to help them so they could continue to be pro abortion.

Trump is truly pro life. You are an obstructionist to the pro life movement. You are a danger to the unborn.

So again I ask you what are you doing to help the unborn in your local community? Or have you outsourced that to DC?
 

Calminian

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So again I ask you what are you doing to help the unborn in your local community? Or have you outsourced that to DC?

We are involved with our local Pregnancy Center. We've volunteered many hours. And we vote for pro life candidates who can help in the legal battle.

Trump is actually doing something. He's appointed pro life justices.

You? You talk a good game while undermining the pro life movement. If I'm the unborn, I'm deeply afraid of you.
 

blessedwife318

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Who would be the better choice, Hilliary, obama lite, or trump, in regards to the unborn?
It was not a binary choice. The whole lesser of two evils argument is at the heart of moral relativism around Trump Supporters. You can always find someone worse to compare someone to, making them the better choice. Calminian did this earlier when he compared me to Trump and found me wanting. I found that highly amusing because Trump is not the standard, God is and we all fall short of His standard. Moral Relativism picks shifting standards to always achieve their goal. If you want to make someone look good, compare them to Hitler, want to make someone look bad, compare them to Mother Teresa. But if you want to give someone an honest view of themselves compare them to God and His standards.
 

blessedwife318

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We are involved with our local Pregnancy Center. We've volunteered many hours. And we vote for pro life candidates who can help in the legal battle.

Trump is actually doing something. He's appointed pro life justices.

You? You talk a good game while undermining the pro life movement. If I'm the unborn, I'm deeply afraid of you.
Well I'm glad to see that you are doing something local. I will give you props for that.

Although I think anyone that praises or defends baby killing planned parenthood is undermining the pro-life movement and is a danger to the unborn. What is clear is we are both deeply passionate about this issue, we just address it from very different angle. You may have objected to me calling out planned parenthood for killing babies but I would never accuse you of being pro-abortion because of that. You still owe me an apology for that outright lie.
 

Yeshua1

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It was not a binary choice. The whole lesser of two evils argument is at the heart of moral relativism around Trump Supporters. You can always find someone worse to compare someone to, making them the better choice. Calminian did this earlier when he compared me to Trump and found me wanting. I found that highly amusing because Trump is not the standard, God is and we all fall short of His standard. Moral Relativism picks shifting standards to always achieve their goal. If you want to make someone look good, compare them to Hitler, want to make someone look bad, compare them to Mother Teresa. But if you want to give someone an honest view of themselves compare them to God and His standards.
we HAD to choose between 2 people, and trump supports more of a Godly agenda than Hilliary did!
 
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