Trump's Orlando Rally

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

And you sir are chock full of horse manure. First, and foremost I neither love or hate your darling Trump. To hate the guy is really an emotion that I don’t invest in. I have no position but to take a wait and see attitude with the guy. He said recently he is getting rid of illegals, and my town has become sanctuary city USA, so I’m waiting. Campaign promise, reduction of taxes, only taxes have gone up. Hmmm... I’m waiting.

Oh and I’ve said repeatedly that Joe Biden is an old worn out politician who needs to step down. If he is the best that the Democrats have then that’s pretty old and lame, Now someone like Stacy Abrahms... first being black just might fit the bill. But to be honest I have not studied it enough to go forward.

So stop painting me with your false characters. I have no allegiance to either party.

As you should know, I was referring to this sort of thing regarding your Biden vs Trump stance. Note that you herein tout rhetoric rather than performance regarding Biden.

Oh come on now, you gotta guy who is famous for shooting from the hip leading the charge and then your saying it’s extremely complex and sophisticated problem ?!? I just pulled my wife from the jaws of a cancerous death at a very expensive rate that will keep me working till I drop dead so should I get her outa bed and tell her to work? I just helped my niece graduate and now she wants to continue on to be a surgeon... how do we pay for that? So here is what we need Trump, jobs, jobs and more jobs... like the ones you brag about. And guess what, Biden yuk— I hate to say it is talking about it! Granted talk is cheap (evidenced by Obama) but he Biden is starting to get people paying attention.

So maybe Trump can get the illegals with the forged drivers licenses and Social Security cards to vote him in but I don’t think so, or maybe the blacks will vote for him but don’t hold your breath.... if they have jobs they mostly are marginal. But ole gramps Biden, right now he is feeling our pain. He will have a beer wit u. What does the “stable genius” have to offer.... a magna hat!

Instead of arguing aimlessly with strawmen and insults, why not just cite all of your posts that cut Trump as much slack as you did Biden here? As you said, "talk is cheap." I'm doubting you can come through on this, but did want to give you the opportunity.

 

[church mouse guy]

Have you ever called the people receiving welfare "bums who need to get a job?" Do you support the Republican policy to cut food stamps, housing, medical care and education for the poor and middle class? Should immigrants looking for asylum in the U.S. be treated humanely? Children are put in cages sleeping on concrete and given minimal food/water. They are separated from their parents. God cares about all of these.

You are spreading false information. And there have been no cuts to welfare but I think that illegal aliens should not receive welfare, don't you?

And here is a video showing the expensive conditions in which these people are housed:

 

[church mouse guy]

When I said NE I meant the North East... which does include New England however I could only speak for New Jersey, where oddly enough there are still pockets of Republicans. Fat Boy Chris Christy was able to gin them up and get Republican support at one point ... even to win two terms as governor but sadly he has been a disappointment. My point though is there still a Republican base here in the Garden State waiting and hoping for attention.

I have read that nevertrumpers dominate the GOP in New Jersey so that Trump would only be meeting with a handful of conservative Republicans there.

 

[FollowTheWay]

Are you a Southern Baptist by chance? If so it seems headed for an iceberg. The band is still playing though.

Interesting question. I call myself simply a Christian. I grew up in an SBC church but belonged to an American Baptist church while in NJ. Their belief statement is firmly grounded in the New Hampshire Confession of 1853. The SBC convention split off from the (then) Northern Baptist Convention (American now) over slavery. They waited until the 1990's to formally reject slavery. In addition, the SBC adopted a new belief in eternal security in the 1963 Baptist Faith and Message. They removed a statement similar to the one in the NH Conf. which said:
XI. Of Perseverance of the Saints We believe that such only are real believers as endure unto the end: that their persevering attachment to Christ is the grand mark which distinguishes them from superficial professors; that a special providence watches over their welfare, and that they are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation.

I strongly support the need to persevere until the end and therefore don't accept the change for the SBC. American Baptists retain the requirement for perseverance..
I also reject tying a church or denomination to a political party. I don't believe that's Biblical. That's far more common for an SBC church than for an ABC church. This practice was begun by the "Christian Right" movement in the 1980's and resulted in the political takeover by the SBC by "fundamentalists." I supported the Cooperative Baptist Fellowship in countering this move.

My church was dual-aligned SBC/CBF but recently cut ties with the CBF. I didn't support doing that but that's what the church voted to do. I love my church and my many good Christian friends there so I've decided to stay. Many others were upset by this move as well.

So, bottom line is I'm a Christian attending an SBC church but don't agree with everything they do. Actually, when I think about it I would do the same in any church. I believe in the Priesthood of the Believer and can certainly fellowship with people who have some differences with me.

By the way, after Trump's victory I said to an assistant pastor this will do great damage to the Church, embracing someone as amoral (at best) as he is.

 

[FollowTheWay]

They are not ‘looking for asylum’. They are looking for easy pickings. They do NOT respect our country laws, if they did, they wouldn’t be showing up to sneak across the ‘border’. In their paid caravans they fly the flag of their real country. You make no sense. You are in agreement with policies that will turn our country into 3rd world lunacy which would devolve into tyranny. What a plan Stan.

Applying for asylum at a border stop for protection against dangerous conditions in their home country is legal. Why can't they fly the flag of their homeland?

 

[Revmitchell]

Have you ever called the people receiving welfare "bums who need to get a job?"[/qote]

Personally no but there is a great amount of abuse of that system., further Obama thought it was a great accomplishment to get more people on welfare than ever before. It is a temporary safety net not a permanent solution. When it is treated that way then those who do so need to stop being bums and get a job.

Do you support the Republican policy to cut food stamps, housing, medical care and education for the poor and middle class?

Why would the middle class need that from the government? I support it going to the poor temporarily, not as a permanent long term solution.

Should immigrants looking for asylum in the U.S. be treated humanely?

You fail to make a proper distinction between illegal immigrants and legal immigrants. They are not the same. Illegal immigrants have broken the law and so justice must be handed out. God cares about justice. Our borders must be respected. God cares about laws.

Most of the people who claim asylum do not qualify for it. I think the percentage I heard on the news was 90%. They are claiming asylum hoping to game the system, knowing they do not qualify but want a chance to get lost in the crowd while the asylum investigation is processed. Then they are given legal orders to leave and never do. These are not honest people looking to get deserved asylum. They are looking to game the system. They deserve justice and deportation.

Children are put in cages sleeping on concrete and given minimal food/water.

well you can thank your Democrat buddies for that they keep trying to cut the finding for beds, food and supplies, hoping it will pressure the admin to just release them into the country without a proper investigation into who they are. The so called cages are for their protection and began under the Obama admin. None of yall said a thing about it then.

They are separated from their parents.

Prove it. Some children are traveling in caravans without their own parents and ms13 gang members and others are using them as their so called children when they are not to game the system. Liberals like yourself want to ignore those facts and ignore our laws and our borders. You all have lost credibility because of it.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

You are spreading false information. And there have been no cuts to welfare but I think that illegal aliens should not receive welfare, don't you?

And here is a video showing the expensive conditions in which these people are housed:

Has she gone there and checked it out? BTW, pool tables and foosball?!? what no heated pool and sauna?

 

[church mouse guy]

Has she gone there and checked it out? BTW, pool tables and foosball?!? what no heated pool and sauna?

Good point!

The cheapskate Dems won't vote the money for a better lifestyle for these illegal immigrants and thus no heated pools and saunas.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

As you should know, I was referring to this sort of thing regarding your Biden vs Trump stance. Note that you herein tout rhetoric rather than performance regarding Biden.
Instead of arguing aimlessly with strawmen and insults, why not just cite all of your posts that cut Trump as much slack as you did Biden here? As you said, "talk is cheap." I'm doubting you can come through on this, but did want to give you the opportunity.

Try me....what’s your wager

 

[Adonia]

Applying for asylum at a border stop for protection against dangerous conditions in their home country is legal

Only if they are fleeing being persecuted by their own government. Run of the mill crimes done by their fellow countrymen is not a reason for asylum here.

 

[Adonia]

Do you support the Republican policy to cut food stamps, housing, medical care and education for the poor and middle class

There is no mandate in our Federal Constitution to provide these things.

Should immigrants looking for asylum in the U.S. be treated humanely?

True asylum seekers should be treated humanely and even though they are not fleeing persecution by their own government, they are being treated humanely. They have food, water, a clean bed to sleep in and medical care. Good grief, what do you want us to do, put them up in the Hilton Hotel with room service? If they don't like the accommodations we provide then they should just stay home. I am tired of us being the boogyman when we are going beyond the call of duty by even letting them all in in the first place!

Just a quick question - how many families have you offered to take into your home and provide what they need? How much have you given to the charitable organizations that work in the Central American nations? I await your answer.

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

Try me....what’s your wager

OK, so you have a versatile arsenal of evasions, including answering with non sequitur. But what does that prove here? Nothing. You see, that's the nature of non sequitur.

OABTW, again, you are right not to defend that nonsense about 'performance only,' as you yourself conveniently ignore it, as evidenced by your comment about Biden. And BTW, that's not really a 'BTW,' as that was what I initially challenged you on. You've managed to evade several times, for obvious reason.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

OK, so you have a versatile arsenal of evasions, including answering with non sequitur. But what does that prove here? Nothing. You see, that's the nature of non sequitur.

OABTW, again, you are right not to defend that nonsense about 'performance only,' as you yourself conveniently ignore it, as evidenced by your comment about Biden. And BTW, that's not really a 'BTW,' as that was what I initially challenged you on. You've managed to evade several times, for obvious reason.

You may be do for an unpleasant surprise

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

I have read that nevertrumpers dominate the GOP in New Jersey so that Trump would only be meeting with a handful of conservative Republicans there.

Was Chris Christy a never trumpet? Then when was the last time he met with these conservatives?

 

[church mouse guy]

Was Chris Christy a never trumpet? Then when was the last time he met with these conservatives?

He prosecuted someone in the Trump family, right? Trump might carry NJ. His voters have higher incomes and more education than Dem voters.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

He prosecuted someone in the Trump family, right? Trump might carry NJ. His voters have higher incomes and more education than Dem voters.

Jerrods daddy, Charles Kushner and the guy is loaded.

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

You may be do for an unpleasant surprise

Hmmm. That sounds downright evil, brother.

 

[church mouse guy]

Jerrods daddy, Charles Kushner and the guy is loaded.

Oh, yeah, I remember now. They bought an office building in downtown New York and are having trouble renting the space. Real Estate is an illusion. It is taxed to death in Indiana. Values are abnormally high based upon location and not condition of the building so that the lazy government employees won't have to look for a job. Downtown Indianapolis is full of empty buildings that have been sitting vacant for two or three decades. Office building space is a buyer's market. People are moving out of Indianapolis due to high crime.

 

[FollowTheWay]

Only if they are fleeing being persecuted by their own government. Run of the mill crimes done by their fellow countrymen is not a reason for asylum here.

Where do you get that idea? Suppose a country is overrun by a drug cartel? What if gangs are in control?

 

[RighteousnessTemperance&]

Where do you get that idea? Suppose a country is overrun by a drug cartel? What if gangs are in control?

And what if members of those gangs and drug cartels are the ones seeking asylum in the guise of the average citizen in order to gain a foothold in the US?