Trying to find a church home

[utilyan]

Early on, I considered doing that. But as I studied over the years, it became increasingly clear to me that there were just too many Orthodox doctrines that I could not accept. If something contradicts with scripture, I must go with scripture, and I found too many man-made traditions in Orthodoxy. I found the same in paedobaptist Protestants, too. So, the atonement is of central importance to me, yes, but it is not the only important doctrine. If I can find a place where I can hold my view of atonement and that church is close to New Testament doctrine, polity, and practice, that's where I'll go. I think my views are somewhere between Baptist and Pentecostal, and I'm leaning toward Baptist at this point.

Who or what decided that a new testament canon be added to the bible?

Who or what decided which books should or should not make it into this new testament canon?

 

[utilyan]

From reading your posts, it seems that your view of the atonement is close to mine, which is also the Orthodox view. But the RCC holds to the Satisfaction theory, doesn't it? That theory is the one upon which penal substitution was founded and expanded. As a Roman Catholic, aren't you required to hold the Satisfaction view?

Probably satisfactory objectively every human is worth having around even put up with because of Jesus.

I don't think you should seek religions to protect you from God. Think you should let God protect you from religions.

Asking God yourself is always an option. Faith in God actually involved trusting God. He is the best friend you have and cares about you more then you do.

I'm for sincerity NT, be honest with yourself. Talk to the Father like its a Father.

Invite God over for breakfast or a coffee It sounds more ridiculous the more honest and sincere you get with yourself. Its fun too, taking a leap here and there.

God is Love. Typically we are all mouth and no ears in prayer. Sit a moment and listen for an hour instead.

 

[Particular]

Early on, I considered doing that. But as I studied over the years, it became increasingly clear to me that there were just too many Orthodox doctrines that I could not accept. If something contradicts with scripture, I must go with scripture, and I found too many man-made traditions in Orthodoxy. I found the same in paedobaptist Protestants, too. So, the atonement is of central importance to me, yes, but it is not the only important doctrine. If I can find a place where I can hold my view of atonement and that church is close to New Testament doctrine, polity, and practice, that's where I'll go. I think my views are somewhere between Baptist and Pentecostal, and I'm leaning toward Baptist at this point.

When Jesus gave his life, what did the blood actually do?
Please explain your position.

 

[ntchristian]

Who or what decided that a new testament canon be added to the bible?

Who or what decided which books should or should not make it into this new testament canon?

The local churches decided by consensus over a period of time, not some hierarchy that didn't exist in New testament times or in the earliest churches.

 

[utilyan]

The local churches decided by consensus over a period of time, not some hierarchy that didn't exist in New testament times or in the earliest churches.

Oh yeah? Says who?

What books are in your bible. Where did you get this list of books. Show me the list where you authenticate what is scripture and then show me where EACH WORK is authenticated as genuine.

 

[Rob_BW]

Oh yeah? Says who?

What books are in your bible. Where did you get this list of books. Show me the list where you authenticate what is scripture and then show me where EACH WORK is authenticated as genuine.

You just keep beating this horse, and nobody cares.

 

[Yeshua1]

Oh yeah? Says who?

What books are in your bible. Where did you get this list of books. Show me the list where you authenticate what is scripture and then show me where EACH WORK is authenticated as genuine.

The OT canon was already fixed at time of Christ, and the NT one by end of First century!

 

[Walpole]

The OT canon was already fixed at time of Christ, and the NT one by end of First century!

Please show me a canon from the end of the first century matching the Protestant sixty-six book canon.

---> Don't waste too much time searching. Spoiler alert: It doesn't exist.

 

[utilyan]

You just keep beating this horse, and nobody cares.

The OT canon was already fixed at time of Christ, and the NT one by end of First century!

Show me the list. <----SAYS WHO?

You know you a reading the correct bible with the proper books from who? Who is holding the correct list?

Uncle Bob's bible right because Uncle Bob is GOD right? You keep asking well where did you get your correct list.

Eventually you find out the reason we can check to make sure your gospel of John is authentically worded is because some RUSSIAN ORTHODOX CATHOLIC is holding the oldest existent copy. And then in the same breathe you have to condemn them to hell as in service of the devil and can't be trusted to not tamper with the original.

Point is, You don't have bibles you have fakes, prove me wrong, show me where you got your list.

 

[Yeshua1]

Please show me a canon from the end of the first century matching the Protestant sixty-six book canon.

---> Don't waste too much time searching. Spoiler alert: It doesn't exist.

Show me where Rome gave to us the canon, spoiler alert, it didn't!

 

[Yeshua1]

Show me the list. <----SAYS WHO?

You know you a reading the correct bible with the proper books from who? Who is holding the correct list?

Uncle Bob's bible right because Uncle Bob is GOD right? You keep asking well where did you get your correct list.

Eventually you find out the reason we can check to make sure your gospel of John is authentically worded is because some RUSSIAN ORTHODOX CATHOLIC is holding the oldest existent copy. And then in the same breathe you have to condemn them to hell as in service of the devil and can't be trusted to not tamper with the original.

Point is, You don't have bibles you have fakes, prove me wrong, show me where you got your list.

The OT canon was fixed already at time of Jesus, so NO additional books were to be added for OT, and the last authorized book was Revelation....

 

[xlsdraw]

The best advice I can give is inquire about each church's status on Israel and the Jews. If they are not pro-Israel and have any hint of anti-Semitism, walk away.

 

[Yeshua1]

The best advice I can give is inquire about each church's status on Israel and the Jews. If they are not pro-Israel and have any hint of anti-Semitism, walk away.

That would eliminate so called rev Wright church, the place where President Obama joyfully was "fed" for 20 years!

 

[JonC]

Six hour warning. Due to its length this thread will be closed sometime after 11:50 pm EST.

At that time please feel free to continue by starting a new thread.

 

[utilyan]

The OT canon was fixed already at time of Jesus, so NO additional books were to be added for OT, and the last authorized book was Revelation....

"The OT canon was fixed already at time of Jesus"
You mean the Septuagint they quote?

I said show me the list and the verse that lists them out.

 

[JonC]

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