Trying to find a church home

[Particular]

Great Scripture. I see you couldn't find anything to support your mystery stance on who is a child of God or not.

"Who can practice righteousness? Can anyone who tries, practice righteousness?"

Who can walk? Can anyone who tries, walk?

Yes practicing righteousness is a standard GOD GIVEN capacity.


"What scripture clarifies this for us? "

The Conscience is God's Law written on every heart.


Romans 2

12For all who have sinned without the Law will also perish without the Law, and all who have sinned under the Law will be judged by the Law; 13for it is not the hearers of the Law who are just before God, but the doers of the Law will be justified. 14For when Gentiles who do not have the Law do instinctively the things of the Law, these, not having the Law, are a law to themselves, 15in that they show the work of the Law written in their hearts, their conscience bearing witness and their thoughts alternately accusing or else defending them, 16on the day when, according to my gospel, God will judge the secrets of men through Christ Jesus.


Did you ever follow your good conscience when you were a unbeliever? Of course.



"How does one become a child of God? What scripture tells us how we become a child of God?"

Welcome to BASIC CHRISTIANITY:

Matthew 5

43“You have heard that it was said, ‘YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR and hate your enemy.’ 44“But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46“For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? 47“If you greet only your brothers, what more are you doing than others? Do not even the Gentiles do the same? 48“Therefore you are to be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.


Love is the highest priority not cowardliness, power-mongering, fear and terrorism.

We preach the GOOD NEWS. What do you tell people I got great news......God might hate you, Jesus might have died for you? You can't even call Good news. You don't have a gospel. Gospel= good news.


1 timothy 1
5But the goal of our instruction is love from a pure heart and a good conscience and a sincere faith.



Your good conscience, is the LAW written in your heart. That is the voice of God and even now you HAVE to tell it to shut up or call it emotionalism. Shelve it as weakness. That has been a timeless theme of Good VS Evil. Evil always looks at good as weak and prioritizes based on POWER and FEAR.

You say great scripture, yet you can't see the answer to who is a child of God in the verses I shared.
Do you need Kurzweil or Jaws? I would guess the Baptist Board is ADA compliant.

 

[utilyan]

You say great scripture, yet you can't see the answer to who is a child of God in the verses I shared.
Do you need Kurzweil or Jaws? I would guess the Baptist Board is ADA compliant.

You are the one who asked me how to be a child of God. The verses only say God wants you to be his child. God wants you to NEVER SIN AGAIN too. I provided the answer JESUS CHRIST GAVE. You want to undermine Jesus. His answer is perfect. You not satisfied with the word of Jesus Christ?

YOU say Jesus is a LIAR?

"Do you need Kurzweil or Jaws?"

No I just need God to download Calvinism in my brain. Have you figured out what "conceive" means yet? you can ask mommy how it works.

If I believe in Calvinism, I would have to be stupid to be frustrated with anyone who didn't understand it.

 

[Particular]

You are the one who asked me how to be a child of God. The verses only say God wants you to be his child. God wants you to NEVER SIN AGAIN too. I provided the answer JESUS CHRIST GAVE. You want to undermine Jesus. His answer is perfect. You not satisfied with the word of Jesus Christ?

YOU say Jesus is a LIAR?

"Do you need Kurzweil or Jaws?"

No I just need God to download Calvinism in my brain. Have you figured out what "conceive" means yet? you can ask mommy how it works.

If I believe in Calvinism, I would have to be stupid to be frustrated with anyone who didn't understand it.

Nope, the verses tell you who is a child of God. Your verse says how you can recognize the righteousness of a child of God. You need all of scripture to understand.
There are only two possibilities for why you cannot see what God is saying. Either you are obstinately fighting against what God says or you consider God's word to be foolishness. I am not your judge.

 

[utilyan]

Nope, the verses tell you who is a child of God. Your verse says how you can recognize the righteousness of a child of God. You need all of scripture to understand.
There are only two possibilities for why you cannot see what God is saying. Either you are obstinately fighting against what God says or you consider God's word to be foolishness. I am not your judge.

Scripture clearly states : so that you may be sons of your Father. Do you need Jaws to read it for you?

Again the best evidence you can ever provide is personal testimony rather then the story of how you were taught things are suppose to happen.

I'm betting your own conversion doesn't follow the order of salvation your theology teaches.

 

[Particular]

Scripture clearly states : so that you may be sons of your Father. Do you need Jaws to read it for you?

Again the best evidence you can ever provide is personal testimony rather then the story of how you were taught things are suppose to happen.

I'm betting your own conversion doesn't follow the order of salvation your theology teaches.

How do humans become children of God? By what means does the adoption process take place? The answer has been shown to you.

 

[utilyan]

How do humans become children of God? By what means does the adoption process take place? The answer has been shown to you.

All you did is quote Paul stating God's motive. I quoted Jesus Christ on how to do it. If Jesus Christ is wrong, Say so.

 

[ntchristian]

I spent the last month or more visiting local Baptist and Pentecostal or charismatic churches. Since my views seem to be somewhere between these two denominations, I limited my visits to them. I don't know if I resolved anything. I asked one Pentecostal pastor if I didn't believe that tongues was the initial sign of baptism of the Holy Spirit, would that be a problem in my becoming a member. He answered that it very well might be. And in one Baptist church I visited, the pastor preached penal substitution, saying that God punished Jesus in our place, etc. I almost couldn't sit through the service.

I know I can't be Orthodox anymore, but I can't believe the Protestant views of atonement. Closest I could come would probably be Governmental theory. So I don't know where that leaves me.

 

[Particular]

I spent the last month or more visiting local Baptist and Pentecostal or charismatic churches. Since my views seem to be somewhere between these two denominations, I limited my visits to them. I don't know if I resolved anything. I asked one Pentecostal pastor if I didn't believe that tongues was the initial sign of baptism of the Holy Spirit, would that be a problem in my becoming a member. He answered that it very well might be. And in one Baptist church I visited, the pastor preached penal substitution, saying that God punished Jesus in our place, etc. I almost couldn't sit through the service.

I know I can't be Orthodox anymore, but I can't believe the Protestant views of atonement. Closest I could come would probably be Governmental theory. So I don't know where that leaves me.

It seems you want to be your own boss and have your own church. If not, you will need to submit under the authority of the church in which you are a member.
The question for you is whether you intend to live life as a rogue Christian or as a member of a local body of Christians.
What does the Bible tell you about Christian community verses individualism?

 

[ntchristian]

It seems you want to be your own boss and have your own church. If not, you will need to submit under the authority of the church in which you are a member.
The question for you is whether you intend to live life as a rogue Christian or as a member of a local body of Christians.
What does the Bible tell you about Christian community verses individualism?

Why do you think I've been visiting churches, if I want to be my own boss and live as a rogue Christian? If you can't be helpful, why don't you just be quiet?

 

[Particular]

Why do you think I've been visiting churches, if I want to be my own boss and live as a rogue Christian? If you can't be helpful, why don't you just be quiet?

Why then restrict yourself to a narrow band? Why reject all who do not fit your exact requirements?

 

[ntchristian]

Why then restrict yourself to a narrow band? Why reject all who do not fit your exact requirements?

I was not trying to do that. I was just trying to be realistic and choose the best fit, taking into account the denominations that I could go to close to where I live. I know I won't find any who fit perfectly.

The ones I have to choose from around here are Methodist, Presbyterian, RCC, Pentecostal and charismatic, Baptist, Episcopal, Nazarene, Church of Christ. There are Lutherans in some college towns, but those are too far away. So, since I now hold to believers' baptism only, do you suppose I should still consider those denominations that baptize infants? That one belief right there, believer's baptism only, would seem to limit me to three of the ones I listed above. And even if I could allow for infant baptism, I couldn't allow for apostate leftist mainstream Christianity.

So it seems I must choose between Baptist, charismatic/Pentecostal, or Church of Christ. Oh, I just remembered there are a couple of SDA churches about half hour away, but I don't think I could consider them.

So, do you see my situation? Do you have any suggestions? Seriously, I welcome any constructive input, as I need all the help I can get, including prayers. I wouldn't want to live as a solitary Christian.

 

[Rob_BW]

Sounds like you're in quite the pickle. If I were in your shoes, I would probably keep visiting churches and read up on the Atonement to double check my views.

 

[Particular]

I was not trying to do that. I was just trying to be realistic and choose the best fit, taking into account the denominations that I could go to close to where I live. I know I won't find any who fit perfectly.

The ones I have to choose from around here are Methodist, Presbyterian, RCC, Pentecostal and charismatic, Baptist, Episcopal, Nazarene, Church of Christ. There are Lutherans in some college towns, but those are too far away. So, since I now hold to believers' baptism only, do you suppose I should still consider those denominations that baptize infants? That one belief right there, believer's baptism only, would seem to limit me to three of the ones I listed above. And even if I could allow for infant baptism, I couldn't allow for apostate leftist mainstream Christianity.

So it seems I must choose between Baptist, charismatic/Pentecostal, or Church of Christ. Oh, I just remembered there are a couple of SDA churches about half hour away, but I don't think I could consider them.

So, do you see my situation? Do you have any suggestions? Seriously, I welcome any constructive input, as I need all the help I can get, including prayers. I wouldn't want to live as a solitary Christian.

My suggestion is to grow relationships with Christian neighbors and worship with them. You may not agree on every theological position, but you grow in fellowship with those who you live amongst.

 

[utilyan]

I was not trying to do that. I was just trying to be realistic and choose the best fit, taking into account the denominations that I could go to close to where I live. I know I won't find any who fit perfectly.

The ones I have to choose from around here are Methodist, Presbyterian, RCC, Pentecostal and charismatic, Baptist, Episcopal, Nazarene, Church of Christ. There are Lutherans in some college towns, but those are too far away. So, since I now hold to believers' baptism only, do you suppose I should still consider those denominations that baptize infants? That one belief right there, believer's baptism only, would seem to limit me to three of the ones I listed above. And even if I could allow for infant baptism, I couldn't allow for apostate leftist mainstream Christianity.

So it seems I must choose between Baptist, charismatic/Pentecostal, or Church of Christ. Oh, I just remembered there are a couple of SDA churches about half hour away, but I don't think I could consider them.

So, do you see my situation? Do you have any suggestions? Seriously, I welcome any constructive input, as I need all the help I can get, including prayers. I wouldn't want to live as a solitary Christian.

We are your church NTCHRISTIAN.

Pick the worst one and go there. It'll be good for you. You can find a saint and an idiot in every denomination.

Time to grow up, step out of this idea of teams. us vs them attitude not good for you.

Get YOU straightened out with God. Act like God is on your side for once, understands totally what you are going thru, has actually got your back.

Ask God where you should go. If a bird poops on you, go to the Catholic church. You'll know the signs.

 

[ntchristian]

Sounds like you're in quite the pickle. If I were in your shoes, I would probably keep visiting churches and read up on the Atonement to double check my views.

I will definitely keep visiting churches. But my atonement views won't change. I've studied the issue in depth, more than any other doctrinal question because I consider it of central importance.

 

[ntchristian]

My suggestion is to grow relationships with Christian neighbors and worship with them. You may not agree on every theological position, but you grow in fellowship with those who you live amongst.

I think that is quite a good suggestion. But what about major doctrinal differences, even if only a few of them? For example, what if you lived in a community of Roman Catholics, or Lutherans, or any other that you had major differences with? Could you become a part of that?

 

[ntchristian]

We are your church NTCHRISTIAN.

Pick the worst one and go there. It'll be good for you. You can find a saint and an idiot in every denomination.

Time to grow up, step out of this idea of teams. us vs them attitude not good for you.

Get YOU straightened out with God. Act like God is on your side for once, understands totally what you are going thru, has actually got your back.

Ask God where you should go. If a bird poops on you, go to the Catholic church. You'll know the signs.

May I ask what denomination you are a member of?

 

[Particular]

I think that is quite a good suggestion. But what about major doctrinal differences, even if only a few of them? For example, what if you lived in a community of Roman Catholics, or Lutherans, or any other that you had major differences with? Could you become a part of that?

I could worship with them (if this is the only option). I could not become an active member on the roles.

 

[Earth Wind and Fire]

I think that is quite a good suggestion. But what about major doctrinal differences, even if only a few of them? For example, what if you lived in a community of Roman Catholics, or Lutherans, or any other that you had major differences with? Could you become a part of that?

No!

 

[ntchristian]

I could worship with them (if this is the only option). I could not become an active member on the roles.

That makes sense.