Tucker Carlson: How many Americans have died after taking the COVID vaccine?

[JonC]

Seeing I am a lab tech who has seen the effects of COVID and spent eight nights in the hospital I work at(six of them in ICU) I can say I highly recommend ppl getting the vaccine(s). We have had 3-4 ppl die with/or by COVID the last few days. AFAIK, none of them had been vaccinated. We have a six bed ICU(we are a smaller hospital that has ~ 90 beds but are staying in the 40’s-50’s right now, with 21 COVID patients as of Thursday morning) and we have five ICU beds with patients on vents, with one being non-COVID related, the other four are.

I drew blood from a 23 year old girl Wednesday night who was having COVID complications. She had gotten it last year and was reinfected recently, with her telling me this time it is worse. She also told me she hadn’t gotten the vaccines, either. Another gentleman age 37 came to the ER a little over a month ago. He and his wife had just came back from Florida on a Tuesday, tested positive Thursday, he was hospitalized for over a month, and spent 10-14 days on the vent. Other than finding out the night he came to the ER that he was a diabetic, he was healthy.

I was told a family of an ~ 2 year old child, her mother and grandmother all died from COVID. The person who told me this has been caught in some lies, so take that with a grain of salt until I can confirm this is true or not.


Ppl have EVERY RIGHT to take it or not, and they should NEVER be forced to take these vaccines. But I see them as armor. It doesn’t guarantee they won’t die in battle, but increases their chances they will survive.

A friend (coworker) of my wife was just released from the hospital after 3 weeks in serious condition from covid. He is in his early 20's (a custodian at the middle school where they work). He is on portable oxygen and wants to come back to work on limited duty. He was not vaccinated because he was in a low risk category (healthy and young).

We have to remember that statistics do not mater as much as people.

I agree that vaccines should not be forced (but depending on the employment I am not opposed to mandated vaccinations as a condition of employment... some fields need to take precautions).

Edit: I know my odds are better for surviving a car accident if I wear a seat belt. And I do. BUT I do not believe it should be illegal for me to drive without one (except on employer property where the employer mandates seat belts). I see the vaccines along similar lines.

 

[Reynolds]

In general there is a 2 4% chance of getting covid and a .05% chance of dying of covid.

This combines everybody, vaccinated or not. An unvaccinated person is 11% to 15% more likely to die of covid should they contract the virus.

The numbers also ignore personal data. They include 0% for children under 4 years old and the 16% for those above 90.

A 60 year old male is more likely to die of covid than in a car accident. But the IFR is close to zero for those 15 to 40.

People manuplate data (on both sides) to sound good.

That is why my recommendation has consistently been vax according to risk and do not mass vax.

 

[JonC]

That is why my recommendation has consistently been vax according to risk and do not mass vax.

The issue is the numbers are changing. Over the past 4 months we had 4 children die of covid (under 11) and quite a few people in their 20's and 30's.

I don't know why. Last year it was kinda odd to hear of a 25 year old healthy guy die of covid. It is common these days. Of the 6 we lost at work the average age was 43.

I don't care what employers do. I do not support the government making private companies vaccinate their employees, but if they interact with the public testing is a good idea. I still think it is government overreach.

Now, federal entities is another thing. If Walmart has too many put and closes that's no big deal. But we cannot close. It is a very big deal not to have sufficient staff at nuclear facilities. It is with the military as well. So I support vaccinations as conditions of employment for those areas of employment.

 

[Revmitchell]

What is false about it?

Who knows if don’t believe their numbers. About any of it.

 

[JonC]

Who knows if don’t believe their numbers. About any of it.

This is true. Scientists and researchers have collected data and have done studies. The Pfizer vaccine was first given in May 2020 and we have a lot of data avaliable.

But those who do not believe science, who reject these studies, who reject what medical expert have said really do not have any numbers. All they have is willful ignorance.

 

[Revmitchell]

“Science” the new religion of the left. “ believe the science” is the mantra of the gullible and the blind who rail against real science. Real science always welcomes questions and doubts. Political based science always claims the science is settled.

 

[Reynolds]

The issue is the numbers are changing. Over the past 4 months we had 4 children die of covid (under 11) and quite a few people in their 20's and 30's.

I don't know why. Last year it was kinda odd to hear of a 25 year old healthy guy die of covid. It is common these days. Of the 6 we lost at work the average age was 43.

I don't care what employers do. I do not support the government making private companies vaccinate their employees, but if they interact with the public testing is a good idea. I still think it is government overreach.

Now, federal entities is another thing. If Walmart has too many put and closes that's no big deal. But we cannot close. It is a very big deal not to have sufficient staff at nuclear facilities. It is with the military as well. So I support vaccinations as conditions of employment for those areas of employment.

4 kids die? How many the vax going to kill or extremely injure?

 

[Reynolds]

Who knows if don’t believe their numbers. About any of it.

Me either. If the govt is talking, they are telling lies.

 

[Reynolds]

This is true. Scientists and researchers have collected data and have done studies. The Pfizer vaccine was first given in May 2020 and we have a lot of data avaliable.

But those who do not believe science, who reject these studies, who reject what medical expert have said really do not have any numbers. All they have is willful ignorance.

When you have whistleblowers telling us the reports are not being done, why do I believe the govt?
Of Covid really is as bad as the Dems say, we would pop some nukes on China. If it's not a bad enough biogical weapon to warrant retaliation for that act of war,bI am not concerned about it.

 

[JonC]

4 kids die? How many the vax going to kill or extremely injure?

No. Four kids died in the past couple of months in my small area. Thus far we have not had any severe reactions to any of the vaccines (in this same area).

Using your numbers the average person is 25 more times likely to die of covid than to die in the months after taking a vaccine from any medical reason (whether connected to a vaccine or not).

And it is important to remember the .002% chance of dying after a vaccination includes all 3 vaccines and is not linked to a vaccine. The vaccines started with the elderly and those with serious illnesses.

 

[JonC]

When you have whistleblowers telling us the reports are not being done, why do I believe the govt?
Of Covid really is as bad as the Dems say, we would pop some nukes on China. If it's not a bad enough biogical weapon to warrant retaliation for that act of war,bI am not concerned about it.

Why believe the whistleblowers? Did you believe the whistleblower about Trump?

I suggest you believe the guy who claims he was was fired from Pfizer and knows secret information because that is what you want to hear.

 

[Revmitchell]

When you have whistleblowers telling us the reports are not being done, why do I believe the govt?
Of Covid really is as bad as the Dems say, we would pop some nukes on China. If it's not a bad enough biogical weapon to warrant retaliation for that act of war,bI am not concerned about it.

ever notice how no one dies at home from covid

 

[percho]

This is true. Scientists and researchers have collected data and have done studies. The Pfizer vaccine was first given in May 2020 and we have a lot of data avaliable.

But those who do not believe science, who reject these studies, who reject what medical expert have said really do not have any numbers. All they have is willful ignorance.

A question. Science? Source?

A. The Spirit of Truth
B. The tree of the knowledge of good and evil
C. All the above
D. None of above

Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

 

[JonC]

A question. Science? Source?

A. The Spirit of Truth
B. The tree of the knowledge of good and evil
C. All the above
D. None of above

Rev 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

It depends on the question.

If you are working on your vehicle do you consult the Bible or an automobile repair guide? Do you take your car to a mechanic or a theologian?

If you need a hernia repair do you go to a doctor or only consult Scripture (refusing medical treatment)?

You see, God is a God of means. We have no understanding without God. God gives people talents and abilities.

God gave men the ability to repair hernias, to replace heart valves, and to make vaccines to benefit mankind.

 

[Reynolds]

Why believe the whistleblowers? Did you believe the whistleblower about Trump?

I suggest you believe the guy who claims he was was fired from Pfizer and knows secret information because that is what you want to hear.

I actually did believe the Trump whistleblower. Just disagreed with his interpretation of what he heard.

 

[JonC]

I actually did believe the Trump whistleblower. Just disagreed with his interpretation of what he heard.

I didn't. When it comes to politicians and politics I'm like you are with the CDC.

 

[Reynolds]

I didn't. When it comes to politicians and politics I'm like you are with the CDC.

The CDC is run by politicians.

 

[777]

well, the CDC is full of politicians and politics.


And you know, it's possible to believe in one whistleblower and not have to believe in every ensuing whistleblower. And you can take off a seatbelt, it's not a drug cocktail injected into your body. Apples and baby shampoo.

Any mathematician can easily tell you how to lie and mislead with statistics, and with covid and the vaccines, we have to rely on statistics. The causation v. correlation is problematic here, I think you can roll the dice here and be okay in most cases.

“Science” the new religion of the left. “ believe the science” is the mantra of the gullible and the blind who rail against real science. Real science always welcomes questions and doubts. Political based science always claims the science is settled.

'Zactly - you're not supposed to "believe in science", you are to question science. That is the only way to achieve real breakthroughs.

 

[JonC]

The CDC is run by politicians.

I would not say Walensky is a politician. Looking at her bio I do not see any political roles at all.

 

[JonC]

well, the CDC is full of politicians and politics.


And you know, it's possible to believe in one whistleblower and not have to believe in every ensuing whistleblower. And you can take off a seatbelt, it's not a drug cocktail injected into your body. Apples and baby shampoo.

Any mathematician can easily tell you how to lie and mislead with statistics, and with covid and the vaccines, we have to rely on statistics. The causation v. correlation is problematic here, I think you can roll the dice here and be okay in most cases.



'Zactly - you're not supposed to "believe in science", you are to question science. That is the only way to achieve real breakthroughs.

So science tells you the earth is spherical and your first reaction is "no it isn't, it's flat". Then later you realize you were wrong. Science tells you smoking is unhealthy and your first reaction is "No it isn't" but later you realize it is. Science tells you ionizing radiation that you cannot see exists. You say "no it doesn't", then there was Chernobyl and you realized you were wrong. Then science tells you vaccines work, and your first reaction is "no they dont"....

Science is the study of God's creation, of the physical and natural world. It is the study of a declaration of God's glory. Some do not know this (they look at trees or branches without ever seeing the Forest).