Tucker Carlson: How many Americans have died after taking the COVID vaccine?

[Reynolds]

I would not say Walensky is a politician. Looking at her bio I do not see any political roles at all.

It's a Federal agency. It's run by politicians.

 

[JonC]

It's a Federal agency. It's run by politicians.

It is used by politicians. That does not mean the agency itself is political. The Army is federal, and it does have internal politics to be sure (but so does Walmart). That does not make the Army political.

The CDC is the best at what it does. So is the Army, Marines, etc.

But you ate confusing politicians using these agencies with these agencies having an agenda other than what they were commissioned to do.

 

[777]

So science tells you the earth is spherical and your first reaction is "no it isn't, it's flat". Then later you realize you were wrong. Science tells you smoking is unhealthy and your first reaction is "No it isn't" but later you realize it is. Science tells you ionizing radiation that you cannot see exists. You say "no it doesn't", then there was Chernobyl and you realized you were wrong. Then science tells you vaccines work, and your first reaction is "no they dont"....

Science is the study of God's creation, of the physical and natural world. It is the study of a declaration of God's glory. Some do not know this (they look at trees or branches without ever seeing the Forest).

Lol. question it, not knee jerk take the opposing argument. Science used to think the earth was flat but then there was Galieo. Old ads for cigarettes' would say smoke this brand, it's the brand most doctors smoked. They didn't know there was any such thing as ionizing radiation but they knew it could be dangerous and was invisible long before Chernobyl. And there has been faulty vaccines and medicine that was supposedly "safe" but had devastating side effects.

Science will never be settled, hopefully.

 

[JonC]

Lol. question it, not knee jerk take the opposing argument. Science used to think the earth was flat but then there was Galieo. Old ads for cigarettes' would say smoke this brand, it's the brand most doctors smoked. They didn't know there was any such thing as ionizing radiation but they knew it could be dangerous and was invisible long before Chernobyl. And there has been faulty vaccines and medicine that was supposedly "safe" but had devastating side effects.

Science will never be settled, hopefully.

Nah. Science will not be settled. I like reading about people who studied science and God used that to reach them. But that's another topic.

The thing I do not understand is the claim that the vaccines are not as safe as they are reported to be. Bear with me a moment (please) and then explain it to me.

1. The vaccines were never said to be 100% effective. They were never reported to provide sterilising immunity.

2. They were never said to be without risks. Risks of myocarditis, blood clots, allergic reactions - even fatal - were disclosed prior to the vacvines being released.

3. The adverse effects have not exceeded (or even come close to) what was expected.

4. Death post vacvine regardless of cause is .002% for all vacvines combined.

5. Before the vacvines were released safety was described as a risk vs benefit issue. This is true of all medical treatments. No treatment is without risk.

So what we know we have are three vaccines that are effective against covid and fall within safety criteria for vaccines. The risk of the virus far exceeds the risks associated with the vaccines.

Sure those who had severe reactions to the vaccine are devastated. But so are families of those who died of covid.

How is a vaccine that is found to be effective and safe (per medical criteria...risks vs benefits) be failed?

 

[Reynolds]

It is used by politicians. That does not mean the agency itself is political. The Army is federal, and it does have internal politics to be sure (but so does Walmart). That does not make the Army political.

The CDC is the best at what it does. So is the Army, Marines, etc.

But you ate confusing politicians using these agencies with these agencies having an agenda other than what they were commissioned to do.

The army is run by politicians.

 

[JonC]

The army is run by politicians.

So you don't trust the US military and what servicemen say unless they desert or are kicked out?

 

[Reynolds]

So you don't trust the US military and what servicemen say unless they desert or are kicked out?

I don't trust anyone who has not personally earned my trust. Watch the hearings on Afghanistan and tell me if you trust Joe's military.

 

[JonC]

My point @Reynolds , is we can doubt the politicians but there is no need to question the science, data, or studies until there is.

What I have seen on this board is covid minimized and vaccine side-effects magnified. That is not an honest way of seeing things.

We know that the vaccines are effective at stoping infection, but not always. Then we know they are effective at preventing serious infection, but not always. We know the vacvinated who get sick typically get less sick than the unvaccinated and recover quicker.

We also know there are risks. We know of rare instances where people died or came close due to an allergic reaction. We know of rare instances of myocarditis.

But people have more chances of dying of covid than a vaccination. This is a fact. So why magnify the risks out of proportion to the benefits?

 

[JonC]

I don't trust anyone who has not personally earned my trust. Watch the hearings on Afghanistan and tell me if you trust Joe's military.

The military does not belong to the President. That said, the military under any President has not personally earned your trust.

 

[Reynolds]

My point @Reynolds , is we can doubt the politicians but there is no need to question the science, data, or studies until there is.

What I have seen on this board is covid minimized and vaccine side-effects magnified. That is not an honest way of seeing things.

We know that the vaccines are effective at stoping infection, but not always. Then we know they are effective at preventing serious infection, but not always. We know the vacvinated who get sick typically get less sick than the unvaccinated and recover quicker.

We also know there are risks. We know of rare instances where people died or came close due to an allergic reaction. We know of rare instances of myocarditis.

But people have more chances of dying of covid than a vaccination. This is a fact. So why magnify the risks out of proportion to the benefits?

Because y'all pro vax people support taking away my freedom to choose. I have had Covid twice. It does not worry me.

 

[Reynolds]

The military does not belong to the President. That said, the military under any President has not personally earned your trust.

It's Joe's military. He runs it.
No. I don't trust them.

 

[JonC]

Because y'all pro vax people support taking away my freedom to choose. I have had Covid twice. It does not worry me.

I see your mistake brother. You think everybody who accepts the evidence the vaccine works is "pro vax". You are wrong.

And you are illogical. If the government did decide to force vaccinations this would have no bearing on the efficiency of the vaccine itself.

You are confusing two things. We have an effective vaccine but you reject it because you believe you could be forced to take it.

 

[Reynolds]

I see your mistake brother. You think everybody who accepts the evidence the vaccine works is "pro vax". You are wrong.

And you are illogical. If the government did decide to force vaccinations this would have no bearing on the efficiency of the vaccine itself.

You are confusing two things. We have an effective vaccine but you reject it because you believe you could be forced to take it.

I am not confused. The vaccine is not safe. We have no long term data. Saying it is safe is a hypothesis.
I guess I value liberty and freedom. I won't submit to tyrany. When Joe says his patience is running out with me, I say - *-* him.

 

[JonC]

It's Joe's military. He runs it.
No. I don't trust them.

I understand. People thought the same way during Vietnam. They allowed politics to alter how they viewed the men and women who sacrificed for their benefit.

That said, my understanding of why you are anti-US military does not mean I agree. I served under Republican and Democrat Presidents. The political party in charge has nothing to do with the people who serve. We do not join the service to serve a president or political party.

Perhaps you should move to Canada? No sweet tea....but you would not have to be defended by a military you distrust.

 

[777]

Nah. Science will not be settled. I like reading about people who studied science and God used that to reach them. But that's another topic.

The thing I do not understand is the claim that the vaccines are not as safe as they are reported to be. Bear with me a moment (please) and then explain it to me.

1. The vaccines were never said to be 100% effective. They were never reported to provide sterilising immunity.

2. They were never said to be without risks. Risks of myocarditis, blood clots, allergic reactions - even fatal - were disclosed prior to the vacvines being released.

3. The adverse effects have not exceeded (or even come close to) what was expected.

4. Death post vacvine regardless of cause is .002% for all vacvines combined.

5. Before the vacvines were released safety was described as a risk vs benefit issue. This is true of all medical treatments. No treatment is without risk.

So what we know we have are three vaccines that are effective against covid and fall within safety criteria for vaccines. The risk of the virus far exceeds the risks associated with the vaccines.

Sure those who had severe reactions to the vaccine are devastated. But so are families of those who died of covid.

How is a vaccine that is found to be effective and safe (per medical criteria...risks vs benefits) be failed?

I don't think this thing has failed but I do have a problem with the mRNA aspect - this is the first messenger RNA vaccine to be mass produced, wish it was more of a conventional vaccine *still holding out for Novavax. There is the fear of the unknown and you're having over half the American population as guinea pigs.

And then there's these endless boosters and the recommendations and guidelines are patchwork - a nurse in this state has to be fully vaccinated but they don't care over in Montana. And then federal workers supposedly have to be fully vaccinated but the feds don't even bother testing, much less vaccinating and treating, all these illegal aliens flooding the border. It makes no sense at all. And then all these variants are springing up, you would need endless boosters.

I have heard all sorts of garbage about the Moderna vaccine in particular - it makes teens sterile, people are going to drop dead within five years because their DNA has been tampered with, doubt any of it will happen but "experts" like Fauci continually contradict themselves. So why people are scared of the vaccine is probably fear of the unknown and a deep distrust of the government. They deserve the latter.

The Spanish Flu had a much higher death rate but there was no required masks, quarantines or mandatory vaccinations. Guess the POTUS at that time didn't consider people livestock back then.

 

[JonC]

I am not confused. The vaccine is not safe. We have no long term data. Saying it is safe is a hypothesis.
I guess I value liberty and freedom. I won't submit to tyrany. When Joe says his patience is running out with me, I say - *-* him.

No. We have a decade of data on the technology and a year and a half on the vaccines. They have been proven safe and effective.

I do not know if the government will force people to be vaccinated. I doubt they will, and if they do it is overreaching it's authority.

 

[JonC]

I don't think this thing has failed but I do have a problem with the mRNA aspect - this is the first messenger RNA vaccine to be mass produced, wish it was more of a conventional vaccine *still holding out for Novavax. There is the fear of the unknown and you're having over half the American population as guinea pigs.

And then there's these endless boosters and the recommendations and guidelines are patchwork - a nurse in this state has to be fully vaccinated but they don't care over in Montana. And then federal workers supposedly have to be fully vaccinated but the feds don't even bother testing, much less vaccinating and treating, all these illegal aliens flooding the border. It makes no sense at all. And then all these variants are springing up, you would need endless boosters.

I have heard all sorts of garbage about the Moderna vaccine in particular - it makes teens sterile, people are going to drop dead within five years because their DNA has been tampered with, doubt any of it will happen but "experts" like Fauci continually contradict themselves. So why people are scared of the vaccine is probably fear of the unknown and a deep distrust of the government. They deserve the latter.

The Spanish Flu had a much higher death rate but there was no required masks, quarantines or mandatory vaccinations. Guess the POTUS at that time didn't consider people livestock back then.

I don't worry about the mRNA. We know enough to know mRNA itself is not a threat. Likewise we know the protein is not a threat.

What I worry about is the suspension. Mostly I am concerned about purity standards as these vaccines are mass produced.

 

[Reynolds]

I understand. People thought the same way during Vietnam. They allowed politics to alter how they viewed the men and women who sacrificed for their benefit.

That said, my understanding of why you are anti-US military does not mean I agree. I served under Republican and Democrat Presidents. The political party in charge has nothing to do with the people who serve. We do not join the service to serve a president or political party.

Perhaps you should move to Canada? No sweet tea....but you would not have to be defended by a military you distrust.

I don't drink sweet tea. You are going down your road of trolling now. You say I said things I didn't.

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[Reynolds]

No. We have a decade of data on the technology and a year and a half on the vaccines. They have been proven safe and effective.

I do not know if the government will force people to be vaccinated. I doubt they will, and if they do it is overreaching it's authority.

We do not have ANY long term safety data.
We have guesses.

 

[JonC]

I don't drink sweet tea. You are going down your road of trolling now. You say I said things I didn't.

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No. I said "no sweet tea@" tongue in cheek. I never said you drank sweet tea.

That said, you are right that I have an issue with people who distrust the US military. But that is because I am retired Army and have had friends die doing their jobs under a Democrat president.

To hear a US citizen question their integrity because of politics is, to me, discussing.