TULIP for Real Life

[SovereignGrace]

There was no church at Rome, then

Oh yes there was.

to all who are beloved of God in Rome, called as saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.[Romans 1:7]

This was written to believers in Rome. Its ppl who make up the church.

but Israel did have an advantage of knowing God's word.

Yes they did, and mucked it up royally. That's Paul's admonition to them in Romans 3:1-3.

 

[SovereignGrace]

There are actually three

Huh?

Care to expound?

 

[SovereignGrace]

There are actually three

So...

There's the saved, the lost and ?????
There's the regenerate, the unregenerate and ???
There's the sheep, the goats and ???

 

[loDebar]

Oh yes there was.

to all who are beloved of God in Rome, called as saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.[Romans 1:7]

This was written to believers in Rome. Its ppl who make up the church.



Yes they did, and mucked it up royally. That's Paul's admonition to them in Romans 3:1-3.

He was not writing to a bad

Oh yes there was.

to all who are beloved of God in Rome, called as saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.[Romans 1:7]

This was written to believers in Rome. Its ppl who make up the church.



Yes they did, and mucked it up royally. That's Paul's admonition to them in Romans 3:1-3.

i though you were referring to the RCC for some reason, I missed your point.

 

[loDebar]

So...

There's the saved, the lost and ?????
There's the regenerate, the unregenerate and ???
There's the sheep, the goats and ???

\\no, natural man
spiritually unrepentant
and spiritually redeemed

 

[loDebar]

Yes, all the ends of the earth...not all the people of the earth.
People out of every tongue, tribe and nation ( Revelation 5:9, Revelation 7:9 ) are from all the ends of the earth.

who else can be saved but people?

 

[SovereignGrace]

\\no, natural man
spiritually unrepentant
and spiritually redeemed

Spiritually unrepentant? Please elaborate on this. Thanks bunches.

 

[loDebar]

The Trinity is a Triune Being with three Persons in perfect unity/harmony. The Father gave to the Son a # of ppl that no one can # to redeem. He bore their sin upon Himself and He died for them. And yet you say the Spirit will draw everyone? You have a Trinity that is not harmonious

The comforter is the Holy Spirit, that draws men to the Savior.

Jhn 16:7

“Nevertheless I tell you the truth. It is to your advantage that I go away; for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you; but if I depart, I will send Him to you.
Jhn 16:8

“And when He has come, He will convict the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:

 

[SovereignGrace]

He was not writing to a bad

He was not writing to a bad? What are you meaning here?

i though you were referring to the RCC for some reason, I missed your point.

No problem, bruh...

 

[loDebar]

Spiritually unrepentant? Please elaborate on this. Thanks bunches.

that is the lost, who could be saved but wont for some reason.

 

[SovereignGrace]

that is the lost, who could be saved but wont for some reason.

And they are the lost, the unregenerate, the goats. There are only two groups of ppl, bruh...

 

[loDebar]

na

And they are the lost, the unregenerate, the goats. There are only two groups of ppl, bruh...

natural man cannot be saved, they are spirituality unaware

 

[SovereignGrace]

na

natural man cannot be saved, they are spirituality unaware

Precisely. That's why God has to unilaterally move upon them and quicken them unto life. As He quickens them, they exercise God-given faith and God-given repentance and they are saved. Quickening, faith and repentance all happen simultaneously.

 

[SovereignGrace]

that is the lost, who could be saved but wont for some reason.

Show me one place in the bible there are three types of ppl in the world.

You are pushing a liberal theology, bruh. The liberals are doing this in the secular worl by saying there are not two sexes but three or four or five. You are teetering upon liberal theology, bruh. Please back away from the ledge.

 

[SovereignGrace]

The comforter is the Holy Spirit, that draws men to the Savior.

Jhn 16:7

“Nevertheless I tell you the truth. It is to your advantage that I go away; for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you; but if I depart, I will send Him to you.
Jhn 16:8

“And when He has come, He will convict the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:

Again, there you go conflating 'world' with 'everybody whoever lived'. 'World' means all over the earth, not 'everybody whoever lived.'

Elvis Presley and Michael Jackson in their days were known all around the world, but not everybody who was alive at that time heard about them.

The Christ is known all over the world, yet not everybody has heard about Him.

 

[Rockson]

I cannot shake the feeling that you think too highly of yourself if you think you have the power to limit God’s omnipotence.

No not really at all my friend. It's just like the story of the atheist who sought he was making a great point who stood on a stage and challenged God by saying if God is great and has omnipotence prove it right now God by striking me down with lightning! Well some in the crowd just like you said above, couldn't shake the feeling that maybe he made a great point that because God didn't do it maybe he didn't exist. A Christian walked on the stage and asked the crowd what if a little bully kid, 7 years old and 4 feet tall mouthed off to a full grown professional weight lifter yapping at him to fight him and beat him up if he thought he could. Of course the full grown adult doesn't entertain the notion to do so for his power and ability is released only through right and good principals. So is it someone thinking too highly of themselves by saying the full grown adult won't hurt the child? Or is it just rather common sense?

 

[Rockson]

But Scripture does not state that, Rockson, it states that He will have mercy upon whom He will have mercy on:

Yes I know Dave he'll have mercy on whom he'll have mercy but no offense but you never seem to come to the place nor ever have that HE HAS REVEALED to whom he'll show mercy to! To those who'll respond in faith to the gospel and that is to whosoever will believe, open to every member of the human race.

Search His word for passages of like speaking, sir, and you will see that He is Lord, and we are mere men.

Men of which he loves every one Dave! God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son that whosoever believes in him should not perish but have everlasting life. That means every person on the planet regardless of Calvinistic claims to the contrary.

There is no such thing as a God who allows men to "make it possible" for God to work, in any way, shape or form.

Sorry Dave you're wrong a BIG TIME in this. The Bible says Israel limited God and it grieved him because they did.

Yea, they turned back and tempted God, and limited the Holy One of Israel. Psalm 78:41

There is SO MUCH God would have done for them! They turned back! They tempted God! That means Dave they did not make it possible for him to do what he wanted ! So why do you resist this so and seek to deny it? For you to say they didn't limit God and didn't grieve him runs contrary to scripture.

As an impartial observer, I would make the statement that your will appears to be more important than His.

Well Dave let's be honest.....you're not an impartial observer so you really have no right to make the comparison.

If I haven't said it before, I'll say it to you now:
You seem to have a strange God, Rockson...one who lets Himself be limited by the will of His creation, and over rules nothing ( or at the least, the subject of their will in salvation ) without their permission.

Change the word permission to cooperation and you've pretty well got it. God's people always had to cooperate with him from Genesis to Revelation. If you're wanting to reject that well that's your prerogative .

Man says that the meaning of the word "just" is "fair" and "impartial", while God says that the meaning of the word "Just", is His judgment on a matter...whether we like it or not.
Do you find that offensive?
I don't.

Well I'd say you're really out of touch with the type of understanding God would like us to have about him. The Lord talked about the judges as in the unjust judge comparing such a one to the just judge being God. Luke 18 There Jesus speaks that the idea of what men consider to be just or unjust is the same as how God views it, as in the just God will answer speedily. Such a inward concept of justice resonates with men everywhere. It does with God too.

 

[SovereignGrace]

@atpollard

@Rockson does think very highly of himself. Just read his post directed @Dave Gilbert

 

[SovereignGrace]

Yes I know Dave he'll have mercy on whom he'll have mercy but no offense but you never seem to come to the place nor ever have that HE HAS REVEALED to whom he'll show mercy to! To those who'll respond in faith to the gospel and that is to whosoever will believe, open to every member of the human race.

Why yes it has been revealed to us who those who will receive His mercy.

What if God, although choosing to show his wrath and make his power known, bore with great patience the objects of his wrath—prepared for destruction? What if he did this to make the riches of his glory known to the objects of his mercy, whom he prepared in advance for glory— even us, whom he also called, not only from the Jews but also from the Gentiles?[Romans 9:22-24]

The vessels of mercy are those who will receive His mercy. Now, the vessels of mercy and the vessels of wrath are two entirely different groups. One does not go from a vessel of wrath to a vessel of mercy, and vice versa. Because we can read Does not the potter have the right to make out of the same lump of clay some pottery for special purposes and some for common use?[Romans 9:22] The vessels of mercy came from the exact same lump of clay the vessels of wrath are in. This is God's divine election at work. This jives with the 'Golden Chain of Redemption' of Romans 8:28-30 and Ephesians 1:1-11.

Men of which he loves every one Dave! God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son that whosoever believes in him should not perish but have everlasting life. That means every person on the planet regardless of Calvinistic claims to the contrary.

Another one who is conflating the word 'world' with 'everybody whoever lived'. The Christ, in His High Priestly prayer did not pray for the world. And in Psalm 5:5 it says He hates those who commit iniquity and in Proverbs 6:16-19 it says He hates ppl.

Sorry Dave you're wrong a BIG TIME in this. The Bible says Israel limited God and it grieved him because they did.

Yea, they turned back and tempted God, and limited the Holy One of Israel. Psalm 78:41

Again and again they put God to the test; they vexed the Holy One of Israel.[Psalm 78:41 NIV]

I will address the rest later, good Lord willing.

 

[SovereignGrace]

There is SO MUCH God would have done for them! They turned back! They tempted God! That means Dave they did not make it possible for him to do what he wanted ! So why do you resist this so and seek to deny it? For you to say they didn't limit God and didn't grieve him runs contrary to scripture.

Yeah, poor little weak God. He can best Satan and his minions, make everything we see ex nihilo, set boundaries for the water, hang the stars where He wants them to be, and yet this 98-pound weakling is thwarted by us heap big people!!


The rest is not worth discussing, imo.