Turkey and Armenia resolutio

[Matt Black]

Several reasons why the genocide should be condemned:-

1. Genocide is wrong no matter when it was committed. Thus I'm happy for the Congressional Committee passing this resolution. I would be equally happy were they to pass a resolution condemning the British treatment of Boer civilians during the 1899-1902 War (after all, we invented the concentration camp).

2. The Republic of Turkey may not be the same entity as the Ottoman Empire which perpetrated the atrocities of 1915-1916, but it is the successor state, much as the Federal Republic of Germany is the successor state to the Third Reich

3. Turkey still has a fairly bad human rights record when it comes to their non-Turkish citizens and/or those of a Christian disposition, yet Turkey is a member of NATO, wishes to be a member of the EU and is generally trying to portray itself as part of "The West". If Turkey wishes to be a member of these western clubs, then Turkey has to start behaving like a member; part of this involves 'fessing up to past atrocities.

 

[carpro]

If Turkey wishes to be a member of these western clubs, then Turkey has to start behaving like a member; part of this involves 'fessing up to past atrocities.

By being properly contrite and apologetic about a century old event?

Pooh.

Neither should they be concerned with what century old wrongdoing we condemn, but they have made it plain they are.

So, pooh again.

This act by Congress at this time is not about human rights or genocide. It's about gutter level back door politics .


"All eight living former secretaries of state have signed a joint letter to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) warning that the nonbinding resolution "would endanger our national security interests." Three former defense secretaries, in their own letter, said Turkey probably would cut off U.S. access to a critical air base."

 

[2 Timothy2:1-4]

This is all about creating a loss in Iraq. the current situation is improving as has been reported by all the newspapers and now the dems needed to have something to stir the pot so it doesnt appear that the administrations policies are working. Playing politics with the lives of soldiers. Sorry but the timing of all of this is to convenient to be merely coincidental. This is treasoness.

 

[saturneptune]

Nailed!!! :applause:

That is the best analysis I have seen yet. It is the same pattern with lots of politicians. They do not care about the Armenians. They care about using any vehicle including human tragedy to advance their political agenda.

 

[KenH]

Several reasons why the genocide should be condemned

Well said, Matt, well said. :thumbs:

The problem with those who are saying that this isn't a convenient time to stand up for what is right is - when will the time be convenient?

Those who are shouting, "Wait for a more convenient time!" remind me of Governor Felix in Acts chapter 24.

 

[KenH]

They do not care about the Armenians. They care about using any vehicle including human tragedy to advance their political agenda.

This reminds me of the thread over in the "Current News" forum about why the image of Christians is suffering - one of the reasons being that Christians are seen as being judgmental.

 

[Matt Black]

By being properly contrite and apologetic about a century old event?

Pooh.

So, you are OK with your fellow-Christians in Turkey continuing to be persected for their beliefs or the fact that they are of the 'wrong' ethnicity? You're happy when Operation Mobilisation missionaries doing street worship get asked by the local police to "come down to the police station and sing to us"? If someone says "sorry, what I did was wrong", the rest of us get to say "now don't do it again"; the problem is that the Turks are still 'doing it' today and unless and until they admit that that kind of behaviour - whenever it is done - is unacceptable, they'll continue to do it.

"All eight living former secretaries of state have signed a joint letter to House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) warning that the nonbinding resolution "would endanger our national security interests." Three former defense secretaries, in their own letter, said Turkey probably would cut off U.S. access to a critical air base."

The US use of Incirlik has been in question ever since the bust-up with Turkey in 2003 over the US not being allowed to use Turkish territory to invade Iraq.

 

[Dagwood]

Baloney. This dastardly deed was a calculated plot by Pelosi and the Democrats to toss a monkey wrench into the recent successes in Iraq. It was pure underhanded treachery on the part of the Democrats. The timing is obvious and anyone who doesnt see it is willingly ignorant.

I see you've been listening to Rush.

 

[2 Timothy2:1-4]

This reminds me of the thread over in the "Current News" forum about why the image of Christians is suffering - one of the reasons being that Christians are seen as being judgmental.

Oh you mean like the other htread where Rush was bashed for no reason. That kind of judgtemental.

 

[carpro]

So, you are OK with your fellow-Christians in Turkey continuing to be persected for their beliefs or the fact that they are of the 'wrong' ethnicity? You're happy when Operation Mobilisation missionaries doing street worship get asked by the local police to "come down to the police station and sing to us"?

:laugh:

That's a leap. :laugh:

Caught in their dirty little backdoor effort to undermine logistical support for our troops, democrats are running backwards.

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/17/w...int&adxnnlx=1192630022-dIHzUAe0NLKxXMSGkBNp6w

Support Wanes in House for Genocide Vote
By CARL HULSE

WASHINGTON, Oct. 16 — Worried about antagonizing Turkish leaders, House members from both parties have begun to withdraw their support from a resolution supported by the Democratic leadership that would condemn as genocide the mass killings of Armenians nearly a century ago.

Almost a dozen lawmakers had shifted against the measure over the last 24 hours, accelerating a sudden exodus that has cast deep doubt over the measure’s prospects. Some representatives made clear that they were heeding warnings from the White House, which has called the measure dangerously provocative, and from the Turkish government, which has said House passage would prompt Turkey to reconsider its ties to the United States, including logistical support for the Iraq war.

Until today, the resolution appeared to be on a path to House passage, with strong support from the House speaker, Nancy Pelosi of California. It was approved last week by the House Foreign Affairs Committee. But this evening, a group of group of senior House Democrats had made it known they were planning to ask the leadership to drop plans for a vote on the measure.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

I see you've been listening to Rush.

I guess you must have been, as well.

 

[Ps104_33]

I see you've been listening to Rush.

And I see you have been too.:laugh: I listen to Rush every day for an hour on my way to work. That is why I am so smart.:laugh: But I didnt need Rush to help me to see this evil plot by the democrats.

 

[carpro]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Dagwood
I see you've been listening to Rush.

I guess you must have been, as well.

Isn't it funny that, when you're well informed, so many people believe you've been listening to Rush? :BangHead:

 

[Ps104_33]

The reason for his comment is the fact that I used the word "Dastardly" which is the same word that Rush used to describe the evil act. Lets face it. We all get our information from somewhere else if we are honest. No man is an island. But I dont get all my info from Rush. I read the Natl' Review from cover to cover.

 

[Ivon Denosovich]

<hijack> I used to listen to Rush on a daily basis. His lock-up-all-druggies-but-me soured my taste for him. Ironically, lackadaisical law enforcement and high priced attorneys are the only reasons he is still broadcasting. </hijack>

 

[Ps104_33]

<hijack> I used to listen to Rush on a daily basis. His lock-up-all-druggies-but-me soured my taste for him. </hijack>

In all fairness to Rush I can see where someone can get addicted to pain killers having a back that goes out on occasion. I respect Rush for his ability to keep on going in spite of all the detractors like yourself. All the ad hominum attacks in the world will not stop him so obviously you are wasting your time. Call him a fat slob and he will lose weight.
Now, lets get back on subject, OK?

 

[Bro. Curtis]

Yup. The obligatory "Rush is a drug addict" slam.

If he said it, he's right. This is a stunt to put an obstacle in the way of victory. With the troops being used as ante.

 

[Ivon Denosovich]

All the ad hominum attacks in the world will not stop him so obviously you are wasting your time.

I don't wish to "stop" him either from broadcasting or taking drugs.

Btw, enforcing drug laws is ad hominum?

 

[Ivon Denosovich]

Yup. The obligatory "Rush is a drug addict" slam.

... followed by obligatory exasperation for lack of rebuttal.

 

[2 Timothy2:1-4]

It is impossible to rebutt that which is empty, shallow, and cheap.