Two Mass Killings in Two Days in North America

[Steven Yeadon]

Waffle House mass shooter apprehended Monday 4/23/2018 after carrying out a mass shooting in the early morning of 4/22/2018 in Nashville, Tennessee.

Waffle House shooting suspect Travis Reinking arrested, police say

Possible terrorist attack in Toronto, Canada on 4/23/2018:

Van hits a dozen pedestrians in Toronto in possible terrorist attack

 

[Steven Yeadon]

I want to add that ISIS has advanced the tactics of criminals and madmen considerably if these aren't terrorist attacks. This is something ISIS will forever be remembered for by civilized society.

 

[carpro]

Waffle House mass shooter apprehended Monday 4/23/2018 after carrying out a mass shooting in the early morning of 4/22/2018 in Nashville, Tennessee.

Waffle House shooting suspect Travis Reinking arrested, police say

That one didn't really take place.

Couldn't have. It was illegal for the suspect to have a gun.

 

[Steven Yeadon]

That one didn't really take place.

Couldn't have. It was illegal for the suspect to have a gun.

I know its snark directed at those wanting to add more gun laws, but could you explain that in the future since you sound convincing. It even made me wonder to your intent, but I know you from your previous posts..

 

[TCassidy]

Toronto Van Plows Along Sidewalk, Killing 9 in ‘Pure Carnage’

Simple solution. Stop the carnage. Outlaw all vans!

 

[Squire Robertsson]

Not to diminish the pain and loss of their families, but 4 people dead is not a mass shooting by today's standards. A case of multiple homicide yes, mass shooting no.

 

[Reynolds]

Not to diminish the pain and loss of their families, but 4 people dead is not a mass shooting by today's standards. A case of multiple homicide yes, mass shooting no.

Yeah, I agree. We had bar shootings with more than 4 people shot. Just drunks fighting and the losers start shooting.

 

[Reynolds]

I want to add that ISIS has advanced the tactics of criminals and madmen considerably if these aren't terrorist attacks. This is something ISIS will forever be remembered for by civilized society.

I doubt ISIS has advanced these tactics. What we are actually seeing, with the notable exception of Vegas, is lack of tactics. If "tactics" were applied, the casualties would be astronomically higher.

 

[Steven Yeadon]

Not to diminish the pain and loss of their families, but 4 people dead is not a mass shooting by today's standards. A case of multiple homicide yes, mass shooting no.

I don't know if we should judge things by today's standards as much as the type of crime it is. Otherwise, the news deals with things so horrible we might lose perspective and possibly avoid it.

Also, the shooter has so far fulfilled some aspects of what are called spree killers. People with that kind of intent, along with terrorists, will make the news regardless of how few people they kill if they actually perpetrate such a heinous crime. I'm just saying that the heinousness of the crime and the mentality of the person perpetrating it should matter. It's easy to pull a gun in a dirty fight if you are losing, its very hard to make the kind of man who will go on a spree kill.

 

[Steven Yeadon]

I doubt ISIS has advanced these tactics. What we are actually see in, with the notable exception of Vegas, is lack of tactics. If "tactics" were applied, the casualties would be astronomically higher.

I take these things as being tactics from a conversation with an FBI Agent, who explained to me the importance of not advancing the tactics of criminals. He did so since I was training to be a counterterrorism analyst at one point in my life, and picked up a lot of terrorist tactics I started throwing around online. That is until two FBI Agents came to my door unannounced to explain the need to never give the enemy any ideas whatsoever. ISIS has driven the point home to me in two ways:

1. The use of cars as a deliberate weapon to mow down pedestrians.
2. The use of semi-automatic assault rifles to perpetrate mass shootings in public places.

Doesn't sound like much, but in counterterrorism this was being tracked since far superior tactics are proposed or known. Introducing these two things seems to have revolutionized the criminal on the street wanting to do a spree kill or terrorist act. That is as far as I know form news reports on terrorist attacks and mass shootings.

 

[TCassidy]

semi-automatic assault rifles

Oxymoron. An assault rifle is, by definition, a select fire weapon.

 

[Steven Yeadon]

Oxymoron. An assault rifle is, by definition, a select fire weapon.

I didn't know that, I am sorry I got the terminology wrong.

 

[Reynolds]

I take these things as being tactics from a conversation with an FBI Agent, who explained to me the importance of not advancing the tactics of criminals. He did so since I was training to be a counterterrorism analyst at one point in my life, and picked up a lot of terrorist tactics I started throwing around online. That is until two FBI Agents came to my door unannounced to explain the need to never give the enemy any ideas whatsoever. ISIS has driven the point home to me in two ways:

1. The use of cars as a deliberate weapon to mow down pedestrians.
2. The use of semi-automatic assault rifles to perpetrate mass shootings in public places.

Doesn't sound like much, but in counterterrorism this was being tracked since far superior tactics are proposed or known. Introducing these two things seems to have revolutionized the criminal on the street wanting to do a spree kill or terrorist act. That is as far as I know form news reports on terrorist attacks and mass shootings.

I never discuss tactics in detail on line. In my opinion El-quaida, ISIS, and their internet followers use terrible tactics. They are very inefficient and ineffective in what they do. They do an extremely poor job of selecting targets. They do a poor job of executing the attacks.

 

[carpro]

I take these things as being tactics from a conversation with an FBI Agent, who explained to me the importance of not advancing the tactics of criminals. He did so since I was training to be a counterterrorism analyst at one point in my life, and picked up a lot of terrorist tactics I started throwing around online. That is until two FBI Agents came to my door unannounced to explain the need to never give the enemy any ideas whatsoever. ISIS has driven the point home to me in two ways:

1. The use of cars as a deliberate weapon to mow down pedestrians.
2. The use of semi-automatic assault rifles to perpetrate mass shootings in public places.

Doesn't sound like much, but in counterterrorism this was being tracked since far superior tactics are proposed or known. Introducing these two things seems to have revolutionized the criminal on the street wanting to do a spree kill or terrorist act. That is as far as I know form news reports on terrorist attacks and mass shootings.

We need to ban cars. Problem solved.

 

[Gold Dragon]

My dad called me to get an opinion about symptoms he was having and I told him to see his GP for an appointment which occurred 30 minutes before and a few hundred meters away from the van incident. Thank God my parents are safe. My condolences to all those affected. A reminder of the brokenness of our sinful world.

Editorial | Toronto can be proud of how it faced the van attack

 

[Matt Black]

Still waiting for more info on the Toronto attacker but looks like Reinking is a domestic terrorist

 

[church mouse guy]

As Dottie Rambo wrote, "This world has been a wilderness..." The American people refuse to provide widespread hospitalization for mental illness. And then we have high level people like Ob@ma and Hill@ry breaking federal law because they are untouchable.

 

[Steven Yeadon]

As Dottie Rambo wrote, "This world has been a wilderness..." The American people refuse to provide widespread hospitalization for mental illness.

I have a mental illness and hang out with mentally ill people.

In Florida if someone is suspected of being a danger to themselves or others they are "Baker Acted." This hospitalizes them for three days for an assessment. If they are determined to be dangerously mentally ill, they are given medication and taken to court to keep them until they are no longer an immediate danger. That or they can sign themselves into the hospital until they are deemed suitable for discharge.

The problem is after they stop being an immediate danger, they get released back into the world. Currently there are no laws stipulating mandatory outpatient care. Not only that, even if there were, outpatient is casual and designed for people doing pretty well.

There is no middle ground level of care between crisis in-patient and casual out-patient. That seems to be where people fall through the cracks to me. The reason I am given for why there is no middle ground care by mental health professionals is funding. They barely have enough for the current system, let alone adding something in the middle.

Just thought I would explain what seems to be going on.

 

[Reynolds]

We need to ban cars. Problem solved.

Cars and waffles.

 

[Matt Black]

I have a mental illness and hang out with mentally ill people.

In Florida if someone is suspected of being a danger to themselves or others they are "Baker Acted." This hospitalizes them for three days for an assessment. If they are determined to be dangerously mentally ill, they are given medication and taken to court to keep them until they are no longer an immediate danger. That or they can sign themselves into the hospital until they are deemed suitable for discharge.

The problem is after they stop being an immediate danger, they get released back into the world. Currently there are no laws stipulating mandatory outpatient care. Not only that, even if there were, outpatient is casual and designed for people doing pretty well.

There is no middle ground level of care between crisis in-patient and casual out-patient. That seems to be where people fall through the cracks to me. The reason I am given for why there is no middle ground care by mental health professionals is funding. They barely have enough for the current system, let alone adding something in the middle.

Just thought I would explain what seems to be going on.

Ours get hospitalised for a minimum of 28 days