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Oh boy, there should be a chart laying around to explain all this...its like the old college tests of 'Compare & Contrast'

 

You paraphrased it which does not explain why this passage says that the sovereignty of God is defined as men do nothing and is completely passive in salvation or else God's sovereignty is wrecked. You have not made your case.

 

Paul stated that none of us seek after God in ourselves, as did Isaiah, correct?

 

You quoted a particular passage of scripture that you insist shows the the sovereignty of God is defined as you define it. I asked you to break down that passage of scripture you quoted and make a case that it defines the sovereignty of God that way.

 

Well, if Isaiah and paul define to us how human free will functions, my understanding makes biblical sense.

 

So then the original John passage does not define the sovereignty of God in the way in which you define it?

 

No, and no.

 

No problem. But I didn't see the "don't believe in God's sovereignty" part until after I answered.

I most certainly do believe in God's sovereignty, so I hope I didn't skew your results.

 

No.

If God attempted to save all men, then all men would be saved (Universalism).

 

Yes, God "draws all men", "commands all men everywhere to repent" is ''willing that all come to repentance'' and is ''not willing that any should perish''.

No, not all men will be saved.

 

They would be wrong..
God's grace comes first, and only AFTER the Holy Ghost convicts a sinner of sin, righteousness, and judgment. can that person exercise faith in Jesus Christ. But that is NOT the same as the "effacious" or "irresistable" grace thing because a person CAN resist the Holy Ghost and reject or "put it off". Oh yes, for those who don't yet know, I am neither "Arminian" nor determinist, fatalist, "particularist", Calvinist, or whatever one wants to call it.

 

So God draws all men, but is incompetent to save them?

 

Um no, What I just explained to you contradicts "semi-pelagianism".

Semi-Pelagianism | Christian Apologetics & Research Ministry

and I said......

 

Any soteriological system that posits that man exercises faith without first being regenerated is a synergistic system, i.e. man cooperates with God in salvation. You can call it semi-Pelagianism or not, it still boils down to the same thing.

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Synergism | Christian Apologetics & Research Ministry

No, there is no human "effort" in salvation. The Holy Ghost draws a man convincing him of sin, righteousness and judgment and the person obeys by simply trusting in Jesus to save his wicked soul from Hell. there is no initiation or "effort" in that. A mute quadriplegic who can't do anything but blink could trust Jesus and there would be no perceptible "effort" at all.