Un-biblical Divorce and Biblical Forgiveness

[agedman]

So divorce is an unforgivable sin ?

Forgivable, yes.

Because David was forgiven did not mean the consequences were removed, the baby died.

Because Mosses was forgiven did not mean the consequences were removed, he was not allowed into the promised land.

"Go and sin no more" does not remove the consequences of sin. In our modern times, some desire the consequences removed because of confession..

1 John 1:9 says God forgives and cleanses, He doesn't forgive and neglect, but purges and uses the consequences as living testimony for others.

One divorced can be forgiven, but must still bear the signification and responsibility "divorced".

For encouragement, do not neglect that God uses the Humble servant and opposes the proud and haughty. James 4:6 and repeated by Peter in 1Peter 5:5 which is based solidly on statements in proverbs, psalms, and the prophets all express the one humble and considered unfit is usable by God.

Example, Mosses and David. Both horribly sinned and carried the rebuke of sin , yet used by God

 

[agedman]

The scripture indicate that divorce and remarriage is adultery.

Some believe that there is an exception "except it be for fornication (porneia)" and that remarriage is allowed in this case.
Also abandonment;
1 Corinthians 7:15 But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases: but God hath called us to peace.

If one is convicted in their heart with guilt then one needs to seek the LORD for His leading.


HankD

Yes some do allow what the Scriptures do not.

There is no "free pass" or "do over without consequences" given in the Scriptures as some would desire to read. One divorced and remarried lives in adultery. That is the clearest statement of Scripture.

 

[Yeshua1]

The scripture indicate that divorce and remarriage is adultery.

Some believe that there is an exception "except it be for fornication (porneia)" and that remarriage is allowed in this case.
Also abandonment;
1 Corinthians 7:15 But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases: but God hath called us to peace.

If one is convicted in their heart with guilt then one needs to seek the LORD for His leading.


HankD

Yes, those 2 cases are where it seems the Lord allows the wronged party to freely remarry in the Lord!

 

[Yeshua1]

Yes some do allow what the Scriptures do not.

There is no "free pass" or "do over without consequences" given in the Scriptures as some would desire to read. One divorced and remarried lives in adultery. That is the clearest statement of Scripture.

Except that the blood of jesus covers all sins, and that there are allowable cases, such as adultery and abandonment for remarriage!

 

[Yeshua1]

When 2 people remarry, and were not covered under the allowed due to adultery/abandon clause, they are indeed committing in sight of God on the remarry adultery, but if both repent and confess that state to God, the blood of Jesus covers even that sin, correct?

 

[agedman]

Yes, those 2 cases are where it seems the Lord allows the wronged party to freely remarry in the Lord!

Wrong! As posted previously, the Scriptures show no support for "...the wronged party to freely remarry in the Lord."

You need to post Scriptures rather than opinion, on even this important matter.

Look to them, for they are not supportive of your opinion.

 

[agedman]

Except that the blood of jesus covers all sins, and that there are allowable cases, such as adultery and abandonment for remarriage!

Scriptures, please!

Your statement fails for there is not a single Scripture you can offer to bolster your thinking.

 

[agedman]

When 2 people remarry, and were not covered under the allowed due to adultery/abandon clause, they are indeed committing in sight of God on the remarry adultery, but if both repent and confess that state to God, the blood of Jesus covers even that sin, correct?

What did the Lord say?

Who was He talking too?

Where they believers or unbelievers?

Your questions answers are found in Scripture.

Unless one can rely and state the principles of Scripture, anything can sound good to the ears.

 

[HankD]

There is the case of marriage as unbelievers then one becomes saved - consequently the unbelieving spouse abandons the believer.

What is the recourse - remain alone seems to be the answer in this case.

1 Corinthians 7:27 Art thou bound unto a wife? seek not to be loosed. Art thou loosed from a wife? seek not a wife.

HankD

 

[Yeshua1]

Scriptures, please!

Your statement fails for there is not a single Scripture you can offer to bolster your thinking.

The blood of jesus cannot cover for that adultery state then? God cannot accept the new marriage as being forgiven and moving forward, or he always see them in the state of adultery?

 

[Yeshua1]

What did the Lord say?

Who was He talking too?

Where they believers or unbelievers?

Your questions answers are found in Scripture.

Unless one can rely and state the principles of Scripture, anything can sound good to the ears.

Jesus stated that adultery can nullify the Covenant, and the injured party free to now remarry in the Lord, and same for unbelievers departing due to not accepting jesus.
The view that you have would be more to me acceptable in regards to how the Lord views this issue in regards to if a person can still pastor or not, but not as strictly as you see it for remarriage.

 

[HankD]

Jesus stated that adultery can nullify the Covenant, and the injured party free to now remarry in the Lord, and same for unbelievers departing due to not accepting jesus.
The view that you have would be more to me acceptable in regards to how the Lord views this issue in regards to if a person can still pastor or not, but not as strictly as you see it for remarriage.

It is not crystal clear because IMO this is the LORD's decision in the life of the believer hence the believer must present the circumstances to the LORD and seek His leading.

There can be instances when there was not a true marriage. e.g. A man is a bigamist (or a divorcee) and she marries him not knowing that he is already married.

She much later finds out that he is already married (to the first woman if she is still alive).
She should be allowed to marry (for real) another man.

HankD

 

[agedman]

Jesus stated that adultery can nullify the Covenant, and the injured party free to now remarry in the Lord, and same for unbelievers departing due to not accepting jesus.
The view that you have would be more to me acceptable in regards to how the Lord views this issue in regards to if a person can still pastor or not, but not as strictly as you see it for remarriage.

Totally your opinion.

You offer NO Scripture to support your claims on this matter, while others have offered Scripture to support what I have posted.

Prove to me by Scripture, or if you cannot, change your thinking.

For without Scripture, one could chase after what seems logical, pleasing, and sounds or feels good, but is not that built upon truth. Would you not agree?

 

[Yeshua1]

Totally your opinion.

You offer NO Scripture to support your claims on this matter, while others have offered Scripture to support what I have posted.

Prove to me by Scripture, or if you cannot, change your thinking.

For without Scripture, one could chase after what seems logical, pleasing, and sounds or feels good, but is not that built upon truth. Would you not agree?

IF 2 people were to remarry, and both are Christians, and repented-and confessed their sins to God, does the Lord see that new marriage as legit, or as adulterers forever more?

 

[Yeshua1]

It is not crystal clear because IMO this is the LORD's decision in the life of the believer hence the believer must present the circumstances to the LORD and seek His leading.

There can be instances when there was not a true marriage. e.g. A man is a bigamist (or a divorcee) and she marries him not knowing that he is already married.

She much later finds out that he is already married (to the first woman if she is still alive).
She should be allowed to marry (for real) another man.

HankD

Seems like there is some Letter of the law vrs Spirit of if the Law, as jesus said many times!

 

[HankD]

Seems like there is some Letter of the law vrs Spirit of if the Law, as jesus said many times!

In some cases the letter of the law stands apart from justification and sanctification such as murder.
Abortion is done for convenience now-a-days.

A woman once told me she had her baby aborted for the sake of her other 2 children - it wouldn't be fair to them to give over so much of their time to the new addition.


HankD