If when you remarry you are committing adultery( your words) then it must also be true that when continuing as a single person you must also be committing sin. This is true because if you are still married then you are not free to act and live single..
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Un-biblical Divorce and Biblical Forgiveness
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If when you remarry you are committing adultery( your words) then it must also be true that when continuing as a single person you must also be committing sin. This is true because if you are still married then you are not free to act and live single..
How would God view you all of the sudden as in today moving out of your house and abandoning your wife even if you had no relations with another woman?
Yes, but the thing so many keep overlooking is that the consequences remain. When his first wife divorced him did his children from that union magically disappear?
My brother and his wife are divorced. But the children from that union are still my niece and nephew. Her brother is still my brother's brother-in-law as he is still uncle to my brother's kids.
A marriage may end but the consequences remain. Even the one that disqualifies such a man from the pastorate.
No longer ruling well your own household. A definite disqualification.
OH, OK I see your point.
1 Timothy 5:8 But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.
HankD
Are we sure that she left her husband - is it possible one or more of her husband's left her and the man initially committed adultery?
We don't know. What we do know is that Jesus criticized her life style. That is good enough for me.
So is it possible that she had a Biblical divorce and thus free to remarry?
We don't know. The point remains that a man with two wives is disqualified for the pastorate.
I agree, a man practicing polygamy should not be a pastor.
And a man divorced, except for cause of adultery, and remarried has two wives and is a polygamist.
I cannot find anywhere that says divorce disqualifies a man from being a Pastor, Elder or Deacon, I do find that he is to be the husband of one wife. Paul was not only referring to polygamy, but divorce and then remarrying another woman as well. If Paul did not mean marrying another woman while your (divorced) wife is living then he would have said that the flavor of the day/month/year/decade (fill in as needed) is OK if the papers are filed correctly or some other nonsense.
It is not the sin that disqualifies the man from being a Pastor, Elder or Deacon, for God can and does forgive all sins when asked to do so. This was not intended to be a form of punishment but it is the way God wants His Church led. Why? Because He is God and that is what He wants. I find that those who want to follow God's Word do their best to do so, but those who want to follow man's word do so and then spend a lifetime trying to justify it. I have looked and looked and I cannot find anywhere in the scripture describing a biblical divorce. I cannot find where God approves of divorce of any kind. I do find in Matthew 19 that Jesus said that when married the two shall become as one and if a man Also, it was Moses (not God) that gave in to the hardness of the heart of the people and allowed divorce.
Divorce is not the issue, it is remarrying another. Divorce does not disqualify a man from being a pastor, elder or deacon however, the reasons for divorce probably disqualifies this man for at least a season or more.
These are boundaries or rules that God set up for His Church. It is natural for men to try to change these rules with rules that makes it easier for men, but that does not change the rules that God set. All it does is make men feel better and justify why men do not follow God's word. (After all God knows what He wants for His church).
Again, This was not set up to punish anyone, it was set up as guidelines for God's Church and His followers
I do find the circumstance of divorcing one and marrying another or remarrying the first wife after she has remarried and divorced another as being disqualifying.
A man who divorced at a young age before he was saved and remarried a wonderful woman later and they had the best family the world has ever seen is still not the husband of one wife and is disqualified from being a pastor, elder or deacon. There are many other areas God can and will call him to serve in.
In the original post, the woman at the well was given as an example. Jesus was not vetting her to hold the office of Pastor, Elder or Deacon. Jesus was telling her about salvation and how to receive it, something that all will have the opportunity to do so.
There is consequence for sin, the most important and horrifying one is death and eternal separation from God. Joyfully and humbly, I tell you that the Blood of Jesus will counter the eternal separation from God, to all who will receive it. God's forgiveness is greater than any and all my/our sin.
It is not the sin that disqualifies the man from being a Pastor, Elder or Deacon, for God can and does forgive all sins when asked to do so. This was not intended to be a form of punishment but it is the way God wants His Church led. Why? Because He is God and that is what He wants. I find that those who want to follow God's Word do their best to do so, but those who want to follow man's word do so and then spend a lifetime trying to justify it. I have looked and looked and I cannot find anywhere in the scripture describing a biblical divorce. I cannot find where God approves of divorce of any kind. I do find in Matthew 19 that Jesus said that when married the two shall become as one and if a man Also, it was Moses (not God) that gave in to the hardness of the heart of the people and allowed divorce.
Divorce is not the issue, it is remarrying another. Divorce does not disqualify a man from being a pastor, elder or deacon however, the reasons for divorce probably disqualifies this man for at least a season or more.
These are boundaries or rules that God set up for His Church. It is natural for men to try to change these rules with rules that makes it easier for men, but that does not change the rules that God set. All it does is make men feel better and justify why men do not follow God's word. (After all God knows what He wants for His church).
Again, This was not set up to punish anyone, it was set up as guidelines for God's Church and His followers
I do find the circumstance of divorcing one and marrying another or remarrying the first wife after she has remarried and divorced another as being disqualifying.
A man who divorced at a young age before he was saved and remarried a wonderful woman later and they had the best family the world has ever seen is still not the husband of one wife and is disqualified from being a pastor, elder or deacon. There are many other areas God can and will call him to serve in.
In the original post, the woman at the well was given as an example. Jesus was not vetting her to hold the office of Pastor, Elder or Deacon. Jesus was telling her about salvation and how to receive it, something that all will have the opportunity to do so.
There is consequence for sin, the most important and horrifying one is death and eternal separation from God. Joyfully and humbly, I tell you that the Blood of Jesus will counter the eternal separation from God, to all who will receive it. God's forgiveness is greater than any and all my/our sin.
NOT if this was biblical supported divorce, as that frees up the person to stay as a pastor, and remarry in the lord if he so chooses!
I agree... Now I'm not a minister but I have been in the church over 50 years... Is not the church the same as a marriage?... The church is the bride of Christ... Do problems arise in a natural marriage?... If a Pastor cannot keep his body under subjection, can he pastor a church?... I say NO!... He may have repented but the fact of the matter remain his sin is still known, even though the Lord has forgiven him... I can only answer for myself but tell me you preacher brethren is he more effective now, or was he more effective before the sin was committed?... Are the churches in the condition they are in because in the past we have taken the word of God lightly?... TC said there are consequences... I agree, and many times in the scriptures God forgave Israel but because of their actions there were consequences... We can either believe the word of God and carry out what it says even though it grieves us to our heart and soul... Some say we need to show the love of God, I agree but we also need to carry out our duty!
You talk about biblical forgiveness... Let me give you an actual case... I'm a DK and if you do not know what that means a deacons kid... Many, many, many, years ago I had fallen into sexual immorality and tried to hide it, but my dad sensed there was something wrong... I was in the church and not only was he my dad, but he was also my brother in the Lord and a deacon in our church... When he heard from me what had happened he had the choice of two choices of action... He could sweep it under the rug and say well the Lord has forgiven you and I do to, well not talk about it further or he could bring it before the church as a brother and a deacon, showing the love he had for Christ and his church, because his son and brother had committed this gross sin... What would you have done if it was your own son or daughter, or a dear friend?... He was true to his calling and brought his own son to face the judgment of the church... The church passed judgment and I was no longer a member in good fellowship, but did not leave the church... Some may think this is not right... I understand but I kept going to church and two years later after I cleaned up my act, I was restored to full fellowship, they took me back after my heartfelt apology, of hurting those who were my brothers and sisters... Looking back on it all and knowing because of that action, the man I have become in the Lord... Sometimes we have to go through some dreadful dark valley's until we reach the mountain tops... Brother Glen
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So, remarriage is a sin if the divorce was Biblical? I am making sure I am not misunderstanding you.
That is the exact opposite of what I said.
Only if "misunderstanding" means "the exact opposite of what I said."
Just to clarify - a man is divorced biblically - and remarries - can he be a pastor?
I believe so. He is "the husband of one wife."