Understanding the 1000yr Reign?

[Brother Bob]

Negative, Bob. You're talking about the "some" saved vs. ALL saved.

The point is, that if some could be saved that were blinded, then the fullness of the Gentiles would have to be over.

Yes, sir. And that is the remnant you've been ranting about. It is NOT "all Israel" of Rom 11:26. Messianic Jews were/are the branches left in the tree, Bob!!

Rom 9:27Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved:

Esaias considered it to be all of Israel.


Yes, Bob. And they are the branches left in the tree.

Yes, the remnant, Israel.

OK, you're making this up now. Did you even read Acts 19? The end of religious Israel, the olive tree, was the end of the temple. God took it away as a clear sign that religious Israel was cut out and that Christianity was grafted in. The only blindness here is yours.

It says they were broken off in part, not as a whole.

BUT EVEN PAUL DIDN'T ACCEPT CHRIST AS KING WHEN HE OFFERED THAT!! So Paul accepted Him later as Savior! Nicodemus would have been a better example for your case. He was a Pharisee and DID accept Christ but one Pharisee doesn't suffice for all.

The point is that some of the Pharasees did receive Him, and they were of Israel also. You are chopping Israel up in little peices.

Yes, SPIRITUALLY true!! But when does He give it to all Israel? When is the nation of Israel we see today going to believe on Christ, Bob? THAT is what has yet to be fulfilled.

According to scripture, we have already become as one, so if we can be saved, so can they by believing. They will face the same door of unbelief, that the Gentiles will face.

skypair

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[skypair]

The point is, that if some could be saved that were blinded, then the fullness of the Gentiles would have to be over.

No sir. The last Gentile was by no means saved and the last Gentile empire was by no means destroyed by Christ's kingdom. You're just flat wrong in that analysis.

skypair

 

[Brother Bob]

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Originally Posted by Brother Bob
So, you believe we have the "new" covenant, of which was not promised to us, we had to be grafted in to the original branches of the Olive tree, which my friend is the believing Jews, that you call the Messianic Jews. Well in your MK, they will all be Messianic Jews if the MK was yet to come.

Yes! And you know how Messianic Jews now celebrate all the OT feasts, right? There you go! In the MK, they do that "in spades!"

If they truly are children of God, they worship Him as we do.


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...for you are casting away, those who received Christ as not being Israel,
HYPOCRITE!! In Christ, there is neither Jew nor Gentile!! YOU are the one saying that Israel continues rather than the church!!

You are loose with your words, but thanks for acknowledging that they have became a part of Christ.

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I am a good steward, I am brave enough and strong enough, with the help of the Good Lord, to take you all on, and tell you that you are teaching false doctrine, and Israel slipped right through your hands.
:laugh: You're clearly strong enough to stand out on your own! Israel, as many as believe will be saved INDIVIDUALLY but you are insisting they came to Christ as a nation, religion, and in spirit.

Esaias believed that the remnant was the nation of Israel, the true Israel.


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BTW, I baptized a young woman yesterday, in one of the streams of Kentucky. The way that John the Baptist did it.
Bob, I'm not your enemy -- I'm your Jonathan. I'm not doubting your Eph 4:3 -- I'm doubting your Eph 4:13. In fact, I've spoken to the "god of this world" and told him to leave you alone for now! The minute -- the second -- that I leave this conversation and give up on you, I hate to be you.

skypair

Oh gosh! Here I have gotten along for 35 years without you, preaching the gospel from Michigan to Fla. Baptized more than I can ever tell you, preached more funerals than I will ever know, preach ever Sunday, plus other days of the week, visit the sick, give to the poor or those in need, walked in the rain to collect for those who were burned out by fire, stood in the emergency room and give $100 dollar bills to those who just found out they have to be flown out to another hospital, held the hands of many a dying pilgrim. Yet, I just made a little mark as I have passed through this life, but my friend, I also pray for you and if you are not there, I will continue to lean on the one that I always have, the Lord Jesus Christ. I do not pin my faith to any man, it is all in God.

You sure have an high opinion of yourself, but maybe its needful. Maybe you don't have anyone else to pat you on the back, so you do it yourself. I give you a little hint, if you want "real" knowledge, go to the Lord in Prayer, that is where the Prophets went and that is where I go.

BBob,

 

[DHK]

You're just flat wrong in that analysis.

skypair

Flat wrong or not. You will have to discuss that in another thread. This one needs to be closed due to its length.