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United We Stand---What happened to that Sentiment?
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Hide what? Are you suggesting that its true?
Yes there is no such thing "legally" as a popular vote. However, we do understand that when that phrase is used it is not intended to be expressed in some legal sense but in a general sense. It means that if one counted all the individual votes he did not gain the majority of them.
This popular vote thing is often used by liberals to undermine those who won the election and they do not like. Kind of like what is going on in this thread. Yes Trump did not win the majority of individual votes but that is not how our election system is set up. Since both candidate new that and they accepted those terms the 'popular vote" argument is moot. Shrillary lost due to her own incompetency. Let's move on.
This popular vote thing is often used by liberals to undermine those who won the election and they do not like. Kind of like what is going on in this thread. Yes Trump did not win the majority of individual votes but that is not how our election system is set up. Since both candidate new that and they accepted those terms the 'popular vote" argument is moot. Shrillary lost due to her own incompetency. Let's move on.
Mitch outs himself as a birther. Color me shocked.
I am saying he refused to provide any evidence for a long period of time. We do not know if Hillary's claim is true or not since what was finally released was suspicious at best. Not sure what this has to do with the op. Its your op you can derail it if you want.
Trump still did not win the votes by the majority of common voting public in the General Elections.<Sigh> There is no national popular vote for President and Vice President.
Every election is at the state level. The states elect the Representatives by districts. The states elect the Senators. The states elect the electors for President and Vice President.
The whole "He lost the popular vote" is meaningless and displays a sad lack of understanding of our electoral process.
He can't have lost something that does not exist. The President and Vice President are elected by the Electoral College. President Trump won 30 of the states, with 306 electoral votes. Hillary Clinton won 20 states with 230 electoral votes. (Two Texas electors did not vote for President Trump even though he won the state, but according to state law those maverick votes don't count so some say he only received 304 votes.)
Come on. This is 5th grade civics.
Go back to Tom post 49......
"Liberty loving people honor the office the man is elected to, and we honor the person the people have elected. We may disagree with some or even all of the principles by which that person governs or lives, but we may NOT disrespect the man nor the office without disrespecting the will of the people who put him there".
I don't know what you are saying here. Are you suggesting no one should question the President?
But there is no national mechanism for counting all the votes for President and Vice President. All they can do is accept whatever the states say. There is no way to certify, nationally, the so-called "popular vote."
And this is nothing new.
In 1824, Andrew Jackson won the popular vote but lost the electoral vote to John Quincy Adams.
In 1876, Samuel Tilden won the popular vote but lost the electoral vote to Rutherford B Hayes (by one vote).
In 1888, Grover Cleveland won the popular vote but lost the electoral vote to Benjamin Harrison.
In 2000 Al Gore won the popular vote but lost the electoral vote to George W Bush.
Ok I am not sure what the "but" is about however, I never suggested there was.
He didn't win all the votes of the non-US citizens either. Irrelevant.
He didn't win the votes of the majority of Canadians either. Irrelevant.
He didn't win the votes of the majority of the dogs in the country either. Irrelevant.
Nor the cats. Irrelevant.
Nor the butterflies. Irrelevant.
Etc. etc. etc.
There is no such things as a national "popular vote."
It is about the fact there can't be a popular vote if there is no mechanism to certify that vote.
So?
Then I propose one to be established
No. I was saying it is wrong to disrespect the office of President. It is proper to question him. In fact, I believe it is proper to question everyone. But we can ask questions without being disrespectful. We can even demand answers without being disrespectful.
Sure there can. If any number of people want to explore the number of over all votes and call it the popular vote then it exists. It is not legal or binding but we cannot dismiss the idea that there were a majority number of votes.
It doesnt matter though because both candidates know how the system works and decided to work within those boundaries. Bring up a non legal and non binding popular vote has not value except to work to undermine the candidate one did not support. In other words it is little more than a cheap shot.
So, he can't lose a vote count that doesn't exist.
I know what you were saying
Propose all you want, but it will take a Constitutional Amendment to do so and that is not likely to happen.
However I will wait for Muller to prove or disprove just how he came to be thank you.
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