Universal Atonement With Limited Atonement

[Silverhair]

I exposed your false philosophy, that junk isnt in scripture. God doesnt consider anything the elect does or do in His Purpose of election. He made that perfectly clear here Rom 9:11

11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of him that calleth )

Its Gods Sovereign will only that made the choice

Christ is the Elect One and we are only elect when we are in Him which only happens when we have trusted in the risen Christ.

You have people elect/saved B4 they are even born, not a biblical view but it is calvinism.

You have, as usual, brought your false religion into the mix.

God is sovereign and He has made the choice to only save those that have trusted in Him.

 

[Aaron]

Utter nonsense, first a change of subject to a "model of Redemption" then the absurd claim physical circumcision counts for anything under the New Covenant. I kid you not, the concept that Christ's death provides the means of reconciliation for the whole of humanity, 1 John 2:2 is something false teachers deny with nonsense.

In the vast library of life, the truly wise are those who recognize the limits of their knowledge, while the unknowing often speak the loudest, unaware that silence can be the greatest teacher.

In other words, you don't know what you're talking about, so be quiet and try to keep up. The thread was started to discuss what the descriptions in Leviticus teach us about the Atonement of Christ.

 

[Van]

In the vast library of life, the truly wise are those who recognize the limits of their knowledge, while the unknowing often speak the loudest, unaware that silence can be the greatest teacher.

In other words, you don't know what you're talking about, so be quiet and try to keep up. The thread was started to discuss what the descriptions in Leviticus teach us about the Atonement of Christ.

Yet another my way or the highway poster unable to grasp the obvious. The concept that Christ's death provides the means of reconciliation for the whole of humanity, 1 John 2:2, does not suggest everyone has received the reconciliation.

 

[kyredneck]

a return to the mere pattern would be tantamount to approving the Jewish accusation and sentence of death on Christ, and repeating it...an apostasy from which there is no promised return.

Spot on.

"...There was to be no repentance granted for those that fell away and returned back to that apostate system that killed Christ, because by returning they crucified the Son of God afresh and put him to an open shame (Heb 6:4-6), but there was only a certain fearful expectation of judgment which would devour the adversaries before that generation passed away (Heb 10:37), for those that had trodden under foot the Son of God and counted the blood of the covenant wherewith he was sanctified an unholy thing and done despite unto the Spirit of grace (Heb 10:27-29) by falling away back to the apostate Judaism they been delivered from...."

 

[Van]

The Old and the New:

The sacrifice, provided the blood, provides the means of temporary reconciliation.
When the Jews were sprinkled with the blood, they received the temporary reconciliation.

Thus the Old pictures or illustrates or foreshadows the New.

The sacrifice, provided by the blood of Christ, provides the means of eternal reconciliation.
When anyone, Jew or Gentile, receives the eternal reconciliation, they undergo the washing of regeneration and arise a born anew creation, a spiritual child of God. They are then indwelt, resulting in them being in Christ and Christ being in them. Praise God.

 

[Brightfame52]

Christ is the Elect One and we are only elect when we are in Him which only happens when we have trusted in the risen Christ.

You have people elect/saved B4 they are even born, not a biblical view but it is calvinism.

You have, as usual, brought your false religion into the mix.

God is sovereign and He has made the choice to only save those that have trusted in Him.

False teaching

 

[Aaron]

When the Jews were sprinkled with the blood

When was this, particularly?

 

[Eternally Grateful]

Spot on.

"...There was to be no repentance granted for those that fell away and returned back to that apostate system that killed Christ, because by returning they crucified the Son of God afresh and put him to an open shame (Heb 6:4-6), but there was only a certain fearful expectation of judgment which would devour the adversaries before that generation passed away (Heb 10:37), for those that had trodden under foot the Son of God and counted the blood of the covenant wherewith he was sanctified an unholy thing and done despite unto the Spirit of grace (Heb 10:27-29) by falling away back to the apostate Judaism they been delivered from...."

actually they were never saved to begin with.

You do not go back to something unless that is what you truly believed to begin with

 

[Eternally Grateful]

on the day of atonement, The high priest (a type of Christ) entered the most holy place. to offer atonement for all of Israel under the law.. Basically according to the law. All people., whether they believed or not. Got a clean slate.. then next year. it started over again..

 

[Silverhair]

False teaching

BF you keep saying that but the word of God disagrees with you.

I will trust the word of God, you can trust your calvinist teachers.

 

[Van]

When was this, particularly?

Hebrews 9:19 Old
1 Peter 1:2 New

 

[Brightfame52]

BF you keep saying that but the word of God disagrees with you.

I will trust the word of God, you can trust your calvinist teachers.

lol You think you trust the word of God, but you have been deceived. Hey but there is always the possibility God will grant you repentance to the acknowledging of the Truth as its in the real Christ Jesus.

 

[Aaron]

Hebrews 9:19 Old
1 Peter 1:2 New

Okay, 'the Jews' weren't being sprinkled. The priests, their robes, and the tabernacle and its furniture were being sprinkled, and lepers for cleansing.

There was no sprinkling of the congregation on the day of atonement, or of the Israelite bringing the individual sin offering.

 

[Van]

Okay, 'the Jews' weren't being sprinkled. The priests, their robes, and the tabernacle and its furniture were being sprinkled, and lepers for cleansing.

There was no sprinkling of the congregation on the day of atonement, or of the Israelite bringing the individual sin offering.

You need to explain "sprinkled both the book itself and all the people," rather than just remove it from your bible.

 

[Aaron]

You need to explain "sprinkled both the book itself and all the people," rather than just remove it from your bible.

That's not in Leviticus. Try to keep up.

The thread was started to discuss what the descriptions in Leviticus teach us about the Atonement of Christ.

 

[Van]

That's not in Leviticus. Try to keep up.

I did not see any explanation, just another post dodging the truth.

You need to explain "sprinkled both the book itself and all the people," rather than just remove it from your bible.

 

[Aaron]

I did not see any explanation, just another post dodging the truth.

You need to explain "sprinkled both the book itself and all the people," rather than just remove it from your bible.

*sigh* If it will shut you up.

Paul alluded to that event, recorded in Exodus, to draw a contrast between the type and the shadow. The New Covenant was sanctified with better blood than the copy was.

That wasn't the day of atonement. I will talk about the day of atonement, and the individual offerings prescribed in Leviticus, as that is the subject of the thread. But you don't know anything about them, so you want to talk about other things.

 

[Van]

*sigh* If it will shut you up.

SNIP

Here is what you falsely claimed:
Okay, 'the Jews' weren't being sprinkled. The priests, their robes, and the tabernacle and its furniture were being sprinkled, and lepers for cleansing.
Here is what scripture says:
"sprinkled both the book itself and all the people,

So instead of admitting error, you put on your cloak of invisibility, and "sigh."

Christ has by His sacrificial offering perfected everyone set apart in Christ. His offering has not sanctified anyone not transferred into Christ based on their faith being credited as righteousness.

 

[Salty]

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[Aaron]

Here is what you falsely claimed:
Okay, 'the Jews' weren't being sprinkled. The priests, their robes, and the tabernacle and its furniture were being sprinkled, and lepers for cleansing.
Here is what scripture says:
"sprinkled both the book itself and all the people,

So instead of admitting error, you put on your cloak of invisibility, and "sigh."

Christ has by His sacrificial offering perfected everyone set apart in Christ. His offering has not sanctified anyone not transferred into Christ based on their faith being credited as righteousness.

Forgive me for thinking you were following the conversation and talking about the rites described in Leviticus.

I should have known better.