You mean you'r saying there not the same thing. Grace is love in action!
There is actually no indication they will not eventually have another opportunity either! What about other scriptures that say they will? Like Romans 5:19
What is the purpose of belief for you? I don't see how I undermine it at all!
Romans 5:9
It shows how some people seemingly without hope, can be saved in the long run.
I try to engage the most relavent posts! The're not tough for me if I don't believe them. I read all your posts addressed to me! If you have any others that are relevant, you can address me to them. I wasn't trying to attack you personally for not reading my scriptures, I just noticed they were ignored when you accused me of ignoring yours!
Well, I don't either!
Yes, but when you ask a question like you did, you are implying it would be so under those circumstances. I find it ironic that you think God would be mean for applying remedial punishment, but not eternal, unending punishment!
Well, I worded my response wrong. I know everyone's sins are paid for, but the atonement is not applied in this life or the next unless received. I've read all your posts about this. For some reason, you just don't believe that a God of love would allow anyone another chance to receive Him in the next life. I think there is something highly illogical about the statement that people do not go to hell because of their sins but because they reject Christ. I think you need to rethink that one. If mankind had never sinned, they never would have needed a Savior. It's difficult to see how ones failure to understand their need to receive a free gift of mercy and grace would be more heinous than the sins that caused this need to start with. It doesn't make any sense to me. Certainlly we need a Savior, but it's because of our sins!
You either can't or won't understand something here! Certainlly, Christ took away the sin of the world! But, like you say it has to eventually be received. If not judgment awaits. Judgment for sin is not endless torture like you say. You believe Christ has to be received in this life in order to avoid hell, don't you? Well, I believe He has to be received in this life or the next in order to avoid remedial punishment. This will come a lot easier for some than others. Some will need the sternest of descipline.
This is rather vague, I don't quite follow you here.
Well, I tried too! When I said "I can come close" I meant I couldn't show anything about the "lake of fire" par say but could show the same parallel from other scriptures that just mentioned "fire" The fire is all symbolic anyway, it's just used in different ways in different scriptures.
Because sometimes we are so stubborn that we close our eyes and ears to the plain truth. Jesus spoke about those who "had no eyes to see or no ears to here" When you say that my proof is like a conspiracy theory, I think your just tired.
I'm not an oxymoron Neil. Your twisting what I'm trying to say.
Matthew 12:31-32 (ESV)
Therefore I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven people, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. [32] And whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come.
I believe if this scripture says that if there is one sin that won't be forgiven in this age or the age to come then all other sins can be forgiven. "every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven people"! So there you have every other sin capable of being forgiven even in the next age! So, what does it mean for people who blaspheme against the Holy Spirit when they enter the next age? They can't be forgiven, so they undergo the just punishment for their sin. The're not like those who enter the next life and immediatelly see their need for repentance and are thus saved. People who are saved immediatelly have no need for any further punishment. But the ones resisting the Holy Spirit, are stubborn and therefore need the sternist of descipline. But once they receive this, they are now able to come back to their loving God. You see, you've been so conditioned to see hell as a place of only endless torture, that its hard for you to understand anything else. When the Bible contrasts God with human beings it always shows how imminantelly better He is than us. We don't put people away forever in this country, not even in Texas, unless its murder, and then its only for a lifetime.
Well, some of that is unfair, but I do agree we ought to be through. You can have the last word!
