University of Oklahoma Fraternity Closed After Video of Racist Chant

[righteousdude2]

So two wrongs make a right?

And from what did you draw that conclusion from?

 

[poncho]

People keep bringing up freedom of speech. This has nothing to do with freedom of speech. Freedom of speech is the ability to speak out against the government with no gubernatorial repercussions. In most states, it's actually illegal to cuss in public. Again, freedom of speech is not the ability to say whatever you want. It's protection from government persecution for someone disagreeing with them.

My mistake. I was reading one thread and posted in another. Sorry.

 

[Zaac]

2 University of Oklahoma students expelled over racist video

NORMAN, Okla. (AP) — The University of Oklahoma's president expelled two students Tuesday after he said they were identified as leaders of a racist chant captured on video during a fraternity event.


University President David Boren said in a statement the two students were dismissed for creating a "hostile learning environment for others." Their names were not released.

The video posted online shows several people on a bus participating in a chant that included a racial slur, referenced lynching and indicated black students would never be admitted to OU's chapter of Sigma Alpha Epsilon.

Boren acted swiftly after the video surfaced late Sunday, severing ties with the fraternity and ordering its house shuttered Monday and announcing the expulsions Tuesday.

"I hope that students involved in this incident will learn from this experience and realize that it is wrong to use words to hurt, threaten, and exclude other people," he said.
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http://news.yahoo.com/fallout-continues-univ-oklahoma-over-racist-video-054431982.html

Guess we all saw this coming.They are gonna have a hard time getting into another school.

It would be cool if an HBCU offered them scholarships and just allowed them some time to be around a school of majority Blacks.

Could end up being a wonderful story.

 

[Don]

And from what did you draw that conclusion from?

Your post that I quoted. You were basically saying "hey, these other things were wrong, too, but they didn't get the media attention this did." Instead of us complaining about the lack of media attention, or that when it's black folks it gets "better treatment," we should be focusing on the fact that wrong is wrong.

The only way to overcome bullying is to not respond to the bullies' taunts. The same applies to racism. Shoulda just let it go at "what the students did was wrong."

 

[Salty]

Agreed.

But should the national fraternity and the school have an option to say "these people don't represent us and our beliefs," thus giving them the option to shut down this particular fraternity?

The National Fraternity - yes - they should have the right to end the relationship.

However, the local frat does NOT represent the college. Now, the college should be able to prohibit the frat from meeting on campus (officially) and such - but nothing should prohibit the frat from meeting off campus.

 

[Don]

The National Fraternity - yes - they should have the right to end the relationship.

However, the local frat does NOT represent the college. Now, the college should be able to prohibit the frat from meeting on campus (officially) and such - but nothing should prohibit the frat from meeting off campus.

That's exactly what the college did. Kicked them off campus grounds. The national fraternity made the determination to close the chapter.

 

[Zaac]

The National Fraternity - yes - they should have the right to end the relationship.

However, the local frat does NOT represent the college. Now, the college should be able to prohibit the frat from meeting on campus (officially) and such - but nothing should prohibit the frat from meeting off campus.

Meet off campus for what? The only reason there is a chapter is because of the college. Take away the college and there is no chapter.

 

[Salty]

Meet off campus for what? The only reason there is a chapter is because of the college. Take away the college and there is no chapter.

So they start their own frat

 

[Zaac]

So they start their own frat

For what? They joined SAE because of its affiliations and the benefits of being in a frat at a major university. Lots of connections.

If they are who they make themselves out to be, they can just join the Klan. It's already established and has better connections and they don't seem to be accepting black pledges either.

 

[righteousdude2]

"hey, these other things were wrong, too, but they didn't get the media attention this did."

That was not my intent. I was pointing out that both groups spoke wrongly, and that in one case, nothing is done, while in another (the white suspects) were stripped of their frat and punished.

I was suggesting there is a racially motivated double standard. Has nothing to do with media attention. Both got tons of that. :tear:

 

[carpro]

Has everyone in OK just gone crazy?

Who really gives a rip whether or not a college fraternity is closed down? Far as I'm concerned, they can all be shut down. It is their very nature to be discriminatory about all manor of things...includin sex, geography, monetary status, physical attributes, student aptitude, athletic prowess and , of course, race.

Is anybody really surprised?

 

[Zaac]

Who really gives a rip whether or not a college fraternity is closed down? Far as I'm concerned, they can all be shut down. It is their very nature to be discriminatory about all manor of things...includin sex, geography, monetary status, physical attributes, student aptitude, athletic prowess and , of course, race.

Is anybody really surprised?

They serve their purpose. I think the surprise is that in today's cell phone record happy society, that they would be so blatant.

Oh well. That type of arrogance usually bites ya.

 

[Gina B]

Who really gives a rip whether or not a college fraternity is closed down? Far as I'm concerned, they can all be shut down. It is their very nature to be discriminatory about all manor of things...includin sex, geography, monetary status, physical attributes, student aptitude, athletic prowess and , of course, race.

Is anybody really surprised?

It's a changing world, and there are frats and sororities that are not such as you say.

 

[Salty]

So they start their own frat

For what? They joined SAE because of its affiliations and the benefits of being in a frat at a major university. Lots of connections.
.

If they are who they make themselves out to be, they can just join the Klan. It's already established and has better connections and they don't seem to be accepting black pledges either.

How about that - YOU answered your own question.

 

[Zaac]

How about that - YOU answered your own question.

No I didn't. If I had answered my own question, I wouldn't still be saying "for what?"