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unvaccinated a threat to the nation, the LEFT now says

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dad2

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Incredulity is the intellectual cripples substitute for intelligence.
The person who knows about 10,000 COVID deaths in June is bogus, but does not know the actual number is posting tommy-rot.
Slogans aside, prove that each death attributed to covid was solely due to covid? Ha. Then show us the millions of people who will die of starvation etc numbers! Then the actual vaccine serious effects and numbers? So when I see a jurisdiction issue instructions to include deaths that either may have been contributed to, or that merely died with a supposed covid positive test, or that sort of number fraud, I can only laugh at numbers you cite as gospel.
 

JonC

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The thing is that it is not really a decision people can freely make. In most or many cases, if a person is not part of the vaccine passport crowd, then they are virtual prisoners and outcasts. They would quite likely need to change jobs, or careers. Etc. We also are not privy to what is really going on and the real numbers. There is an obvious concerted effort to steamroll the vaccinations in.
We have several at work who are not vaccinated. They are not prisioners. We all go out to eat, work together, etc. They go on trips, to the beach....not prisioners.

During the pandemic and before I got vaccinated I went to the beach several times, to the mountains twice, to Nashville four times....to restaurants, stores, malls, etc.

The non-vax people are getting out in crowds just fine. I suspect the next increase in cases may reduce our non-vax folks (if the #'s overseas are correct and we follow that trend). But freedom is not free.
 

Wingman68

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https://thecoloradoherald.com/2021/...tests-for-unvaxxed-and-negative-for-vaxxed-2/

Nothing to see here, heh? Anytime you run over 8 cycles, according to the inventor, you are just manipulating the outcome. When so many cycles are run they can come up with pretty much anything they may want to find. The test is not a covid test anyway, it was created long before it’s use today when looking for other things. Now, since they have not isolated this virus…….what are they even relying on for a positive or negative?
 

Earth Wind and Fire

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Speaking of Chicken Little scare tactics...what DNA effecting shots (in the US we have 2 types of vaccines - mRNA and traditional, with neither having an effect on DNA).
No but heart rate yes. But interesting, it’s gone from a cure all to it was never meant to be a cure all.... but it will reduce the effects of COVID. :confused:Back to the masks and social distance parameters. Looks like someone’s got egg on their face.
 

JonC

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No but heart rate yes. But interesting, it’s gone from a cure all to it was never meant to be a cure all.... but it will reduce the effects of COVID. :confused:Back to the masks and social distance parameters. Looks like someone’s got egg on their face.
At the start they said it would not prevent COVID in many cases (but should result in milder symptoms). I guess with the "hot COVID twice cases it makes sense.

But I ain't wearing no mask.
 

Earth Wind and Fire

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We have several at work who are not vaccinated. They are not prisioners. We all go out to eat, work together, etc. They go on trips, to the beach....not prisioners.

During the pandemic and before I got vaccinated I went to the beach several times, to the mountains twice, to Nashville four times....to restaurants, stores, malls, etc.

The non-vax people are getting out in crowds just fine. I suspect the next increase in cases may reduce our non-vax folks (if the #'s overseas are correct and we follow that trend). But freedom is not free.
I don’t go out in crowds, I wear a mask (most times) and wash my hands frequently... and not gettin vaccinated unless they put a gun to my head. I’ve seen first hand the effects of vaccines gone terribly wrong... effects worse than death.
 

JonC

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I don’t go out in crowds, I wear a mask (most times) and wash my hands frequently... and not gettin vaccinated unless they put a gun to my head. I’ve seen first hand the effects of vaccines gone terribly wrong... effects worse than death.
I got the vacvine (so did my family, mom, aunts, cousins). The only ones experiencing bad effects are the ones who did not get the vacvine and caught the virus.

I guess it's a "choose your poison" kinda thing.
 

Earth Wind and Fire

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At the start they said it would not prevent COVID in many cases (but should result in milder symptoms). I guess with the "hot COVID twice cases it makes sense.

But I ain't wearing no mask.
Then you will be barred from some businesses.... your choice
 

Earth Wind and Fire

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I got the vacvine (so did my family, mom, aunts, cousins). The only ones experiencing bad effects are the ones who did not get the vacvine and caught the virus.

I guess it's a "choose your poison" kinda thing.
My sister in law got it and was sick for a week. BTW you can still catch the virus and the dreaded ‘delta variant’ even after taking the vaccine.
 

JonC

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My sister in law got it and was sick for a week. BTW you can still catch the virus and the dreaded ‘delta variant’ even after taking the vaccine.
We can catch any of the COVID-19 flavors. The idea is we will be less symptomatic.

My brother was sick for a week as well (with COVID).

That said, things have been back to normal for so long now I doubt people will go back to masks.

We've been shopping, going to theaters, concerts, etc without masks for months without a significant increase in cases and no increase in deaths (an uptake in hospitalizations, but only the non-vax people so far).
 

dad2

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We have several at work who are not vaccinated. They are not prisioners. We all go out to eat, work together, etc. They go on trips, to the beach....not prisioners.

During the pandemic and before I got vaccinated I went to the beach several times, to the mountains twice, to Nashville four times....to restaurants, stores, malls, etc.

The non-vax people are getting out in crowds just fine. I suspect the next increase in cases may reduce our non-vax folks (if the #'s overseas are correct and we follow that trend). But freedom is not free.
Yes that does happen. What I was talking about is the coming restrictions. For example in crossing borders, taking a cruise, flight, etc. Prisoners of one country or state or province.
 

JonC

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Yes that does happen. What I was talking about is the coming restrictions. For example in crossing borders, taking a cruise, flight, etc. Prisoners of one country or state or province.
Ah...I see.

I am not sure that we have the right to those types of things. But as it is, you need to be vaccinated to visit some islands (I have a coworker who went somewhere I can't recall....she had to be vaccinated and have a negative test within 3 days if travel).

I would support not allowing people in the US unless they have been vaccinated.
 

dad2

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Ah...I see.

I am not sure that we have the right to those types of things. But as it is, you need to be vaccinated to visit some islands (I have a coworker who went somewhere I can't recall....she had to be vaccinated and have a negative test within 3 days if travel).

I would support not allowing people in the US unless they have been vaccinated.
It boils down to whether we believe the whole scheme is good or evil. I would support only allowing the unvaxxed in! Ha
 

JonC

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It boils down to whether we believe the whole scheme is good or evil. I would support only allowing the unvaxxed in! Ha
Well....I ain't going anywhere soon :) .

Personally I believe the third option.

The pandemic is neither good or evil but a result of God subjecting the World to futility.

The schemes are primary political and are evil on both sides (the "vax or die" is just as much a scheme as the "vax and die"). The powers that be want to capitalize on the issue.

But most people are just trying to make the best decisions they can.
 

Van

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Slogans aside, prove that each death attributed to covid was solely due to covid? Ha. Then show us the millions of people who will die of starvation etc numbers! Then the actual vaccine serious effects and numbers? So when I see a jurisdiction issue instructions to include deaths that either may have been contributed to, or that merely died with a supposed covid positive test, or that sort of number fraud, I can only laugh at numbers you cite as gospel.
I provided links in support of my numbers, and you said they were not valid.

The average daily death toll for Covid in June was 342 deaths. (Even a rocket scientist should be able to calculate 342 times 30 days in June and find 10,260 deaths for June.) Here is the link:COVID-19 continues to be a leading cause of death in the U.S. in June 2021 - Peterson-KFF Health System Tracker

As far as 99% of those Covid deaths being non-vaccinated, here is another very hard to find link: Fauci: More than 99% of people who died from COVID-19 in June were not vaccinated

Pay no attention to the peddlers of false risks, when the real risk is killing people right and left.
 
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dad2

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Well....I ain't going anywhere soon :) .

Personally I believe the third option.

The pandemic is neither good or evil but a result of God subjecting the World to futility.

The schemes are primary political and are evil on both sides (the "vax or die" is just as much a scheme as the "vax and die"). The powers that be want to capitalize on the issue.

But most people are just trying to make the best decisions they can.
OK, I guess we all have opinions. Because of the aborted fetus research connection, I would stay away from the vaccine myself. Also, the fake news, bias oppression of truth by government and media, and the way those in the medical profession who are against the covid plandemic are treated, my distrust is greatly deepened.

I do not blame God for the evil any more than I blame Him for cancer or wars. My opinion as to why these things are allowed to come on the earth is that it is God saying enough is enough. They have been subjecting children to sex change propaganda and procedures.That may be the straw that broke the camel's back, that was already overburdened with the millions of babies murdered each year, the unnatural sexual practices and teachings pushed on children, the vile wars and etc. The effects of the vaccine are said to include affecting reproduction. If true, that is evil. There are millions slated to die as a result of the lockdowns and restrictions. That is evil. As for the vaccine itself I don't think the untested and rushed experimental treatments (while at the same time discouraging actual treatments shown to work) can be said to good or evil yet. The power grab and loss of freedoms and lockdowns however, are not good.
 

dad2

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I provided links in support of my numbers, and you said they were not valid.

The average daily death toll for Covid in June was 342 deaths. (Even a rocket scientist should be able to calculate 342 times 30 days in June and find 10,260 deaths for June.) Here is the link:COVID-19 continues to be a leading cause of death in the U.S. in June 2021 - Peterson-KFF Health System Tracker
The article claims people died "of" covid. Prove it. Show the actual causes of each death. Prove that what is really meant is not 'died with covid'. Unless you can do that, the numbers are not support but propaganda.

As far as 99% of those Covid deaths being non-vaccinated, here is another very hard to find link: Fauci: More than 99% of people who died from COVID-19 in June were not vaccinated
"almost half of the country’s recent Covid-19 deaths are of people who have been vaccinated."
Some Vaccinated People Are Dying of Covid-19. Here’s Why Scientists Aren’t Surprised.

Some articles have even higher numbers. So it depends who you want to believe. The last person on earth I would listen to on the matter would be Fauci.
 

Van

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The article claims people died "of" covid. Prove it. Show the actual causes of each death. Prove that what is really meant is not 'died with covid'. Unless you can do that, the numbers are not support but propaganda.

"almost half of the country’s recent Covid-19 deaths are of people who have been vaccinated."
Some Vaccinated People Are Dying of Covid-19. Here’s Why Scientists Aren’t Surprised.

Some articles have even higher numbers. So it depends who you want to believe. The last person on earth I would listen to on the matter would be Fauci.

Anyone can say "taint so" without a shred of evidence. Pay no attention to those who claim the evidence provided by multiple media sources should be ignored, but their anecdotal evidence you can take to the bank. :)
 
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