As usual your whole message seems to be trust man with all your heart and mind with no questions asked and assume they have evidence! No thanks. They are proven liars and murderers! None of your 'sources' showed the criteria as to what is a 'covid death'.Anyone can say "taint so" without a shred of evidence. Pay no attention to those who claim the evidence provided by multiple media sources should be ignored, but their anecdotal evidence you can take to the bank.
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unvaccinated a threat to the nation, the LEFT now says
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I agree about the power grabs being evil. It amazes me that the whole issue shifted on an election (when Trump was President the anti-COVID-vaccine people were Democrats but with the election sides have changed).
And I would urge any woman who is pregnant to stay away from the vaccine (actually, from most of the vaccines out there).
If you lived with a brain damaged family member for 39 years who had been damaged beyond repair as a result of a simple vaccination, perhaps you would feel differently. And the way both the medical profession and the government dealt with it was an obscene joke. Absolutely zero accountability.Well....I ain't going anywhere soon
Personally I believe the third option.
The pandemic is neither good or evil but a result of God subjecting the World to futility.
The schemes are primary political and are evil on both sides (the "vax or die" is just as much a scheme as the "vax and die"). The powers that be want to capitalize on the issue.
But most people are just trying to make the best decisions they can.
When I hear about Christians conserned for the lives of the unborn but little for those whose lives have in fact been destroyed by the negligence and incompetent medical profession, I could cry. People cease to be people and become results of experiments gone wrong... relegated to the backwater ‘home for children’ left to wallow and eventually die from neglect. That in fact is the very real reality of experimental drugs given to people in our country today. So go ahead, roll the dice, sign away your right to sue them if and when they screw up. That to me is the biggest deny of God’s lordship over our lives... putting doctors and governments before Christ- the Great Physician.
Not to worry, they are not pushing it to pregnant women... not yet any way. But they are making overtures to our children and there is evidence that most children don’t even require vaccinations. Now if they cannot sell this to parents to consent to have their children experimented on then they can always take it to our pets for distribution. There is no stopping the medical profession for experimentation for the cause of science and (making a buck). Wouldn’t that be lovely!
Perhaps I would. Experience always influence our positions, even if they may not apply (as the two primary vaccines are not of the type that would have caused brain damage three decades ago). But I do understand why you would be concerned over any type of preventative measures involving a vaccine.
I suspect if you had family members in their 20's struggling with post-COVID issues then that experience would have an effect on your views.
Either way you are "rolling the dice". Perhaps this vaccine has the hand of the "Great Physician". I did not take the vaccine in lieu of trusting God. It was quite the opposite (I have faith in God and know from Scripture He is a "God of means").
So the inverse of your argument is also legitimate (that people are rejecting God's provision while trusting Him to provide....i.e., that old illustration about the guy praying for deliverance while rejecting all instances of divine deliverance).
Now, don't get me wrong. I am not saying that you are unfaithful for not getting the vaccine. I am saying your argument that those who get vaccinated are not trusting God is an invalid argument which can be applied in both directions.
One problem is the "one size fits all" approach.
I know several who wish they had taken the vaccine because of the damage the virus has done. But you are right that vaccines carry a risk as well.
Science? We don't need no stinking science!Not to worry, they are not pushing it to pregnant women... not yet any way. But they are making overtures to our children and there is evidence that most children don’t even require vaccinations. Now if they cannot sell this to parents to consent to have their children experimented on then they can always take it to our pets for distribution. There is no stopping the medical profession for experimentation for the cause of science and (making a buck). Wouldn’t that be lovely!
Tell that to Dr. F... the mask guyScience? We don't need no stinking science!
Then simply take the signed waver off the table and not attempt to silence the voices of those who have had adverse reactions to these vaccines. When they first started handing them out like water, my wife had to go to the oncologist at our health care center. And it was like a party atmosphere in there. She was strongly encouraged to get the shots as “they were created for her, to save her life.” Upon further investigation, no they were not. Her chemotherapy drugs negate any positive effects of the vaccine, rendering it a useless exercise! But heck, let’s just get it anyway... take it for the hell of it! My God, talk about ignorance.
Now I’ve seen that type of hype and then let down my whole life.... followed by depression, neglect, a throw away society. Far better to Trust in God than to trust in man. So for the time being, it’s still my choice how I conduct my healthcare. I resent the shame and blame tactics, I resent the rewards shtick, I resent that I have to sign a waver in order to get the jab in the first place... and I resent the eventual government threats to mandate this idea to force the jab.
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Do they work? Are these shots effective???
The word, ’Assume’ ... clarified as, when you assume, you are making an ass out of you and me.
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Scripture also says that I am to protect my wife and children, and lay down my life for them. Many of us have deduced that in order to do that we must refuse the vaccine.
I have a husband and wife that are 60+ year old in my fire department. They got both vaccines and have COVID right now as I type. They're both pretty much bed bound.
We had a HVAC group of 9 (they worked close together). The 5 who declined to be vaccinated got COVID and were out (one in the ICU). The 4 who were vaccinated didn't get the virus.
I think we can discuss pros and cons all day, but in the end everyone must decide for themselves.
Me thinks thou protest too much...
Some not so bad news. In the linked article the CDC put out a graph of life expectancy for babies born in a particular year. The downturn last year was caused in part by Covid. However, if you look back to 1918 a far greater downturn occurred due to WW! and that Pandemic. God bless those who created our vaccines and those who took the vaccines to try and protect humanity.
US life expectancy in 2020 saw biggest drop since WWII
US life expectancy in 2020 saw biggest drop since WWII
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First, most conservative Republicans have never been "on board" with the vaccine. Dems 180 flipped, but most folks I know we're never in support of the vaccine being fast tracked. Definitely we're never in support of any mandatory vaccine.
Why you discouraging pregnant women from getting vaxed? Same health organizations that say everyone else should get vaxed are saying they should definitely get vaccine. You picking and choosing when to believe them?
Have they changed their position and I don't know about it? If so,bits further evidence that they know nothing and we are all guinea pigs.
I will take my chances with the Covid and let y'all be the test rats. First time I had it, it was minor sinus infection symptoms. StRistics say second time would be even milder if not completely asymptomatic. I am also supposedly more immune to Delta variant than you. Who knows!
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Deaths and suffering due to covid vaccines going wrong in some people, equals acceptable casualties? Like a survival of the fittest, if you die from a vaccine, must be something meta-biologically wrong with you, best your genes are eliminated from the gene pool...
When the very first polio vaccine came out in the mid 30's before Salk, it killed and disabled some kids as it was imperfect, it gave them polio sometimes, they knew it and administered it anyway. They can get away with it by calling it experimental, so see your a medical experiment with these covid vaccines today, like they were with polio vaccines in the 1930's.
Polio Vaccine History: Timeline of Poliomyelitis Discovery and Vaccine Invention (flo.health)
Early polio vaccine projects (1935)
Unfortunately, initial trials were poorly executed and caused great harm to those involved. Teams of researchers in New York and Philadelphia both administered vaccines containing active poliovirus to tens of thousands of living subjects, including children and chimpanzees. Many subjects became severely ill or paralyzed, experienced allergic reactions, and even died of polio.
Hopefully most of those who read the above nonsense will ignore it. The number of people who died because of the USA approved COVID 19 vaccines is minuscule when compared to the number that died because they had not been vaccinated or vaccinated in time.
The number of people that may have died because of the vaccines is less than 1%. It is less than 1/10th of a percent. It is less than 1/100th of 1 percent. Whereas the number of people who died from COVID 19 in June who were not vaccinated was 99%.
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I would discourage pregnant women from getting g a vaccine because vacvines produce an autoimmune response (with the COVID-19 vaccine, to produce antibodies to fight against COVID-19). In short - the vaccine produces a response (makes you "sick"). Although no person has died from the vaccine itself, the vaccine us not approved for infants. A pregnant woman would be creating an autoimmune response in the fetus with no developed immune system. Sounds dangerous to me.
Thus far the guidance has been the vaccine may be more effective than natural COVID antibodies as the vaccine (especially the mRNA vacvines) are less specific to varients. Also, a natural infection is not a measured exposure.
That is why it is still recommended for people who have had COVID to still get vaccinated (chances are they are less protected against varients, to include the Delta varient) than vaccinated people.
You disagree with the "science" that says pregnant women should get vaccinated, but you believe it for everyone else?
The newest studies I have been hearing on talk radio show natural immunity to Covid surpassing vaccine immunity. Having Covid is equivalent to a live virus vaccine, a real actual vaccine. The Gene therapy you took fits no previously accepted definition of a vaccine.
I saw the man who holds one of the major patents on the MRNA vaccine technology on TV. He said it's not safe. It was never intended to be safe enough to be used as a standard vaccine. It was intended to be a fast vaccine against a major global pandemic virus that would threaten our extinction as a species. He said Covid is no where near dangerous enough to justify it's use.
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