Unvaccinated - orphans they leave behind

[JonC]

And the vaxers ignore what they don't like as well. England and Israel are almost fully vaxed and having Covid as bad as they had it a year ago.
One of my friends works in a doctor's office in the high infection high vaxed county I mentioned. She said 99% of their Covid positives are vaxed.
Guy I went to school with, healthy as a horse, never had a blood clot in his life, died of blood clot in lung 4 days after vax.
Employer made him take vax.
Family is in process of suing. Hope they get filthy rich.
The vax mandate was going to shut out local hospital down. Over half staff not vaxed. Nurse that gave me monocolonial antibodies told me almost none of them in Covid ward are vaxed. All had Covid and All keep being continually exposed to it. The Dr. over the Ward is a Covid expert. All he does now is treat Covid. He is not vaxed.

People on both sides ignore what they do not want to hear.

For example, the pro-vaxers don't want to hear about serious side effects of vaccines.

The anti-vaxers don't want to hear that vaccines have saved lives, the deaths and serious covid cases are primarily among the unvaccinated, etc.

The pro-vaxers want to pretend covid will just go away if everybody is vaccinated.

The anti-vaxers want to pretend positive cases prove vaccine ineffectiveness, the vaccines are more problematic than the virus, etc.

 

[AustinC]

Romans 13:1-5
Everyone must submit to governing authorities. For all authority comes from God, and those in positions of authority have been placed there by God. So anyone who rebels against authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and they will be punished. For the authorities do not strike fear in people who are doing right, but in those who are doing wrong. Would you like to live without fear of the authorities? Do what is right, and they will honor you. The authorities are God’s servants, sent for your good. But if you are doing wrong, of course you should be afraid, for they have the power to punish you. They are God’s servants, sent for the very purpose of punishing those who do what is wrong. So you must submit to them, not only to avoid punishment, but also to keep a clear conscience.

2 Chronicles 35:20-25
After Josiah had finished restoring the Temple, King Neco of Egypt led his army up from Egypt to do battle at Carchemish on the Euphrates River, and Josiah and his army marched out to fight him. But King Neco sent messengers to Josiah with this message: “What do you want with me, king of Judah? I have no quarrel with you today! I am on my way to fight another nation, and God has told me to hurry! Do not interfere with God, who is with me, or he will destroy you.” But Josiah refused to listen to Neco, to whom God had indeed spoken, and he would not turn back. Instead, he disguised himself and led his army into battle on the plain of Megiddo. But the enemy archers hit King Josiah with their arrows and wounded him. He cried out to his men, “Take me from the battle, for I am badly wounded!” So they lifted Josiah out of his chariot and placed him in another chariot. Then they brought him back to Jerusalem, where he died. He was buried there in the royal cemetery. And all Judah and Jerusalem mourned for him. The prophet Jeremiah composed funeral songs for Josiah, and to this day choirs still sing these sad songs about his death. These songs of sorrow have become a tradition and are recorded in The Book of Laments.

 

[Reynolds]

People on both sides ignore what they do not want to hear.

For example, the pro-vaxers don't want to hear about serious side effects of vaccines.

The anti-vaxers don't want to hear that vaccines have saved lives, the deaths and serious covid cases are primarily among the unvaccinated, etc.

The pro-vaxers want to pretend covid will just go away if everybody is vaccinated.

The anti-vaxers want to pretend positive cases prove vaccine ineffectiveness, the vaccines are more problematic than the virus, etc.

I agree. I also believe the censorship by the pro vaccine crowd is what has fueled the fire of extreme dissent. We have always made information available and had open debate. Put the info out, debate it. Whichever side has the winning argument will win. That is not what has happened here. The pro vax crowd has used totalitarian nation censorship methods to attempt to silence the opposition. We do not have a history of tolerating censorship in this nation. On this instance, totalitarianism and censorship has caused this problem. Let the open debate be had.
Vax, Vax, Vax, censor all opposition, vax, vax, vax, will never work.

 

[Two Wings]

Probably few as both have proven ineffective.

that isn't really the experience of those places who've actually deployed and USED these drugs.

It's easier to disregard than to fabricate (well, unless we're talking the 2020 POTUS election! ) ... and disregard is what has happened in these studies ... kinda like the one the Lancet had to retract in May '20 ... first retraction in many years.

Interesting how the "poor" countries haven't been as adversely affected by this pandemic. They're just "not playing." No one cares, because they're the least of these and they can't really help the elite become more elite. But the fact is, several African nations take HCQ on a "prophelatic?" basis for other reasons (Malaria) ... and they oddly have almost NO cases of CV. Ditto India and ivermectin, just in case one seeks to make a rural vv urban argument.

 

[AustinC]

that isn't really the experience of those places who've actually deployed and USED these drugs.

It's easier to disregard than to fabricate (well, unless we're talking the 2020 POTUS election! ) ... and disregard is what has happened in these studies ... kinda like the one the Lancet had to retract in May '20 ... first retraction in many years.

Interesting how the "poor" countries haven't been as adversely affected by this pandemic. They're just "not playing." No one cares, because they're the least of these and they can't really help the elite become more elite. But the fact is, several African nations take HCQ on a "prophelatic?" basis for other reasons (Malaria) ... and they oddly have almost NO cases of CV. Ditto India and ivermectin, just in case one seeks to make a rural vv urban argument.

You really think the non-wealthy countries haven't been affected? Really? Did you not see the funeral pyres in India and the desperate search for more wood?
Honestly, come out of your bunker already.

 

[RipponRedeaux]

the vaccines are more problematic than the virus, etc.

That's a F-A-C-T.

 

[RipponRedeaux]

You really think the non-wealthy countries haven't been affected? Really? Did you not see the funeral pyres in India and the desperate search for more wood?
Honestly, come out of your bunker already.

One province with a population of 240 million have been using Ivermectin and the death rated plummeted. Other parts of that nation are forcing the jabs and the death rate has skyrocketed. You can't treat all of India as if they were employing the same methods.

 

[dad2]

One province with a population of 240 million have been using Ivermectin and the death rated plummeted. Other parts of that nation are forcing the jabs and the death rate has skyrocketed. You can't treat all of India as if they were employing the same methods.

Amazing. When people die for lack of possible life saving alternative treatments in America, that seems to be second degree murder?

 

[AustinC]

One province with a population of 240 million have been using Ivermectin and the death rated plummeted. Other parts of that nation are forcing the jabs and the death rate has skyrocketed. You can't treat all of India as if they were employing the same methods.

Tell us the source of your data. Is it from some conspiracy website run by a Siberian warlord?
Honestly, you gotta come out of your bomb shelter.

 

[Two Wings]

cv vax pumpers need more material.

the little insults are becoming tiresome.

Kicker is ... usually those who throw around those terms are more unfamiliar with the objects of those terms than with the posters to whom they cast the terms.

Sigh.

 

[JonC]

That's a F-A-C-T.

No, it isn't. The fact is vaccines work. The fact is more people have died of vovid than experienced even the most benign of bad side-effects from a covid vaccine.

 

[JonC]

that isn't really the experience of those places who've actually deployed and USED these drugs.

It's easier to disregard than to fabricate (well, unless we're talking the 2020 POTUS election! ) ... and disregard is what has happened in these studies ... kinda like the one the Lancet had to retract in May '20 ... first retraction in many years.

Interesting how the "poor" countries haven't been as adversely affected by this pandemic. They're just "not playing." No one cares, because they're the least of these and they can't really help the elite become more elite. But the fact is, several African nations take HCQ on a "prophelatic?" basis for other reasons (Malaria) ... and they oddly have almost NO cases of CV. Ditto India and ivermectin, just in case one seeks to make a rural vv urban argument.

It is. For months we had to hear the anti-covid-vaxers harp about how much success India had with these drugs. Once India admitted these medications had no effect on the virus and stopped using them the anti-covid-vaxers stopped talking about India. And that's a shame. They have really good goat curry.

 

[RipponRedeaux]

The fact is more people have died of vovid

Maybe a lot of people have died of 'VOVID' but not of COVID.

 

[JonC]

Maybe a lot of people have died of 'VOVID' but not of COVID.

Maybe a lot of vaccinated people died but not of the vaccine.

 

[RipponRedeaux]

Maybe a lot of vaccinated people died but not of the vaccine.

Indeed, from the vaccine. It is indisputable. Go to Egypt and visit de Nile. You'll never learn Jon.

 

[JonC]

Indeed, from the vaccine. It is indisputable. Go to Egypt and visit de Nile. You'll never learn Jon.

Nah....they had pre-existing conditions, drank bad water, was struck by lightning, etc.

Isn't that your philosophy, Dude?

Deny, deny, deny.

Egypt reported over 18,000 covid deaths.....99% among the unvaccinated.

 

[Two Wings]

Once India admitted these medications had no effect on the virus and stopped using them the anti-covid-vaxers stopped talking about India.

unfamiliar with your claim of their having stopped using ivermectin.

I'm tired of trying to educate. The information is there if one will make an effort to go beyond the government reporting because it's pretty clear the govt is involved in this ... all the way back to the virology lab in north carolina, funded by the US Govt.

Once this relationship is understood ... the rest becomes MUCH clearer.

Isn't it odd that despite no cv jab, Alpha through Delta didn't adversely impact any airliine's flight schedule from an "insufficient crew" scenario, but now that UAL claims to be 99% cv jabbed, Omicron is blamed for canceling flights the past week.

LOL ... Jon ... it's comical ... the responses. It should be screaming to anyone with a critical thinking ability --- covid is no doubt real, but it's been facilitated, not combatted ... from the very word GO.

 

[JonC]

unfamiliar with your claim of their having stopped using ivermectin.

I'm tired of trying to educate. The information is there if one will make an effort to go beyond the government reporting because it's pretty clear the govt is involved in this ... all the way back to the virology lab in north carolina, funded by the US Govt.

Once this relationship is understood ... the rest becomes MUCH clearer.

Isn't it odd that despite no cv jab, Alpha through Delta didn't adversely impact any airliine's flight schedule from an "insufficient crew" scenario, but now that UAL claims to be 99% cv jabbed, Omicron is blamed for canceling flights the past week.

LOL ... Jon ... it's comical ... the responses. It should be screaming to anyone with a critical thinking ability --- covid is no doubt real, but it's been facilitated, not combatted ... from the very word GO.

They dropped ivermectin in July because they found that it had little to no effect on Covid-related mortality or clinical recovery of the patient.

 

[Two Wings]

They dropped ivermectin in July because they found that it had little to no effect on Covid-related mortality or clinical recovery of the patient.

they're selling it like hotcakes. and their published numbers were stark.

So ... IDK.

But it's clear the US govt collusion with this entire problem is evident ... and makes legitimate a question of anything it says/does WRT covid.

 

[JonC]

they're selling it like hotcakes. and their published numbers were stark.

So ... IDK.

But it's clear the US govt collusion with this entire problem is evident ... and makes legitimate a question of anything it says/does WRT covid.

IDK. All I know is India dropped HCQ and ivermectin months ago because there was no benefit in treating covid patients.