'US fearing exposure of Iraq war truth'

[KenH]

Thanks for pointing out another possible cause of blowback, Bro. Curtis.

 

[targus]

Thanks for pointing out another possible cause of blowback, Bro. Curtis.

So you believe that Jefferson going after the pirates is the cause of our problems with the Middle East?

 

[KenH]

So you believe that Jefferson going after the pirates is the cause of our problems with the Middle East?

Personally, no. I think the start is more recent - in 1953 - when the U.S. overthrew the democratic government of Iran to install a dictator.

 

[carpro]

Personally, no. I think the start is more recent - in 1953 - when the U.S. overthrew the democratic government of Iran to install a dictator.

How does that fit in with the author's premise?

Did we "occupy" Iran?

BTW Since you're avoiding it like the plague, I'll ask just one more time to see if you continue to dishonestly dodge the question...

Who were we occupying 9-11-01?

 

[KenH]

Who were we occupying 9-11-01?

No one; however, that is not the total story in foreign relations.

 

[carpro]

Originally Posted by carpro
So it is your opinion that we were the cause of 911.

No, it is not. 19 men, mainly Saudis, were responsible for the attacks on 9/11/2001.

That is the natural progression of your argument.

You're backpeddling again.

You're in a box. You've made an argument that will only hold up if you believe 911 was the result of something we did , so we are actually the cause of the deaths of 3000 of our own people.

Congratulations. You've justified the actions of all middle eastern terrorists against the U.S in the past and for all time.

I'll say it again.

Disgusting.

 

[KenH]

You've justified the actions of middle eastern terrorists against the U.S for all time.

No, I have not. Your interpretation is way off for some reason. I suggest that you backtrack and read everything I have posted in this thread objectively.

 

[carpro]

No, I have not. Your interpretation is way off for some reason. I suggest that you backtrack and read everything I have posted in this thread objectively.

I've read it. You've excused all middle eastern terrorism against the US. in the past and for all time.

You're using the same justification that was popular with muslims the world over after 911. It's our fault and we deserved it.

And it's still disgusting.

 

[KenH]

You've excused all middle eastern terrorism against the US. in the past and for all time.

Nope.

However, I apologize for anything I have posted that may have cause you to think that way toward me, brother.

 

[Bro. Curtis]

Thanks for pointing out another possible cause of blowback, Bro. Curtis.

That is the response of a simpleton. Or a Radical Muslim apologist. Either way, to equate keeping shipping lanes open to an occupation of a country means you cannot maintain an intelligent line of thought.

Poncho, I love you, but as long as the "1953" date keeps getting thrown around, the aggressive acts of Muslim hordes recorded for centuries will never be addressed. You can argue intelligently that we should not be in the Middle East. You CANNOT argue intelligently that the U.S. created middle-eastern style terrrorism.

 

[KenH]

That is the response of a simpleton. Or a Radical Muslim apologist.

I apologize for anything I may have written to cause you think that way about me, brother.

 

[poncho]

That is the response of a simpleton. Or a Radical Muslim apologist. Either way, to equate keeping shipping lanes open to an occupation of a country means you cannot maintain an intelligent line of thought.

Poncho, I love you, but as long as the "1953" date keeps getting thrown around, the aggressive acts of Muslim hordes recorded for centuries will never be addressed. You can argue intelligently that we should not be in the Middle East. You CANNOT argue intelligently that the U.S. created middle-eastern style terrrorism.

Hmmm, ya got me on that one. I didn't even realize the middle east even had it's own style of terrorism. But if you say so it's ok with me. The "1953" date and the "1962" date have been brought into the debate to make one point Bro, the U.S. government is not above using terrorism foreign or domestic to advance it's agenda.

Now Let me explain,

To me the words "U.S. government" has a different meaning altogether from most folks here abouts. When I use those words I'm talking about the corporate fascist state that now exists in place of the U.S. government.

That's how it is Bro, painting red white and blue candy stripes on it only makes the outside taste sweet and look good, inside it's still rotten ole corporate fascism with all the greed, corruption and crime that gave birth to it.

And it's going global now. Evidently.

But I can honestly see where people might confuse fascism with freedom these days. Never thought I'd see that day but . . .

 

[carpro]

Now Let me explain,

To me the words "U.S. government" has a different meaning altogether from most folks here abouts. When I use those words I'm talking about the corporate fascist state that now exists in place of the U.S. government.

Sounds to me like you need to find another country to live in. I'd be glad to help with the moving expenses. :wavey:

Then you can bore them to death with your endless conspiracy theories and mindless prattling about "corporate facist" states.

 

[poncho]

Sounds to me like you need to find another country to live in. I'd be glad to help with the moving expenses. :wavey:

Then you can bore them to death with your endless conspiracy theories and mindless prattling about "corporate facist" states.

Yep right on que.

Along comes Carpro with his magical paint brush all dripping with candy coating. Like that's all it takes to alter history and reality in the information age. How's that old saying go again?

"you can put lipstick on a pig but it's still just a pig" :smilewinkgrin:

Really dude. If you don't like my threads, moooove to another one you'd feel more comforatble in, I dunno . . . maybe this one? Some "liberals" are being attacked over there. :thumbsup:

:laugh:

Okay Bro, now we can back on topic.

 

[NiteShift]

Have you kept up with events through the years concerning Chechnya?

Yes. I know that Stalin deported the entire population of ethnic Chechens in the 40's, and that the Russians refused to allow Chechnya to depart peacefully from the Russian Federation after the '91 collapse. And your point?

 

[KenH]

You asked earlier where's the blowback by militant Islamics toward the Russians. Chechnya is the answer to your question.

"Information about groups linked to the conflict in Chechnya is hard to confirm, but experts say the struggle is between local separatists--a loosely organized group with semi-independent commanders--and the Russian army. According to the U.S. State Department, the Islamic International Peacekeeping Brigade (IIPB) is the primary channel for Islamic funding of the Chechen guerillas, in part through links to al-Qaeda-related financiers on the Arabian Peninsula. The United States also defined the Chechnya-based Special Purpose Islamic Regiment (SPIR) and the Riyadus-Salikhin Reconnaissance and Sabotage Battalion of Chechen Martyrs as terrorist entities in February 2003."

= www.cfr.org/publication/9181/chechen_terrorism_russia_chechnya_separatist.html

 

[poncho]

Spiegel: WikiLeaks logs may reveal war crimes

In its early analysis of the Iraq war logs released by whistleblower site WikiLeaks on Friday, the German paper Der Spiegel pointed to several accounts of what it calls "dubious attacks" by US Apache helicopters that may have amounted to war crimes. SOURCE

Sure blame a few pilots for killing people while their lives are in danger and let the liars that howled (from their secure and comfortable postions back home) for this military adventure that's caused the death of, what's the count, somewhere around 109,000 go free? Where's the justice in that?

WikiLeaks papers detail Iraq torture, US killings

DUBAI (AFP) – Al-Jazeera on Friday released what it called "startling new information" from US documents obtained by WikiLeaks, alleging state-sanctioned Iraqi torture and the killing of hundreds of civilians at US military checkpoints.

It said that the major findings included a US military cover-up of Iraqi state-sanctioned torture and "hundreds" of civilians deaths at manned American checkpoints after the US-led invasion of 2003 that ousted Saddam Hussein. SOURCE

"We do not torture!"

Wikileaks under doubt as “classified” documents substantiate bogus U.S. claims

Islam Times - The war between Wikileaks and the Pentagon supposedly continued on Friday as the famous “whistleblower” website released 400,000 “classified” documents. The Pentagon has reportedly assigned 120 personnel to pore over the documents to determine the potential damage they could cause to U.S. security.

However, like many news reports in this day and age, the real story may be buried under the hype surrounding the release of these supposedly “classified” documents and the “outrage” they are causing. SOURCE

There's more . . .

No coincidence - Assange and Gadahn's new "leaks"

Adam is looking well for a most wanted man while Julian appears to be feeling the strain of his 'job.' ​

If you've watched some news today you may have noticed that the Wikileaks story of the release of the Iraq war logs is being followed by the 'news' of Adam Pearlman Gadahn's latest video.​

No coincidence there. The torture, corruption and mayhem of American policy and actions must be countered by the perception of the neverending threat of Muslim jihad. That makes everything we do OK or at least that's what the pentagon and the compliant media hope we think. SOURCE​

I'd say Kenny the blogger is closer to the truth than the others at this point. I would correct him on one point however, this is globalist policy it is not American policy. It's what we, well what the majority voted for (even if you thought you were voting for "change").

"How's that change thing workin out for ya?"

 

[carpro]

Really dude. If you don't like my threads, moooove to another one you'd feel more comforatble in, I dunno . . . maybe this one? Some "liberals" are being attacked over there. :thumbsup:

No thanks. Not unless you take me up on my offer to move. I'll still help with the expenses.
If you don't , someone has to stick around to point out how senseless, anti-American and insane some of your propaganda is.:thumbsup:

 

[poncho]

No thanks. Not unless you take me up on my offer to move. I'll still help with the expenses.
If you don't , someone has to stick around to point out how senseless, anti-American and insane some of your propaganda is.:thumbsup:

Tell ya what, in the name of good sportmanship I'm willing to compromise.

I'll keep defending America, and you keep defending the government and we'll let the readers decide who's more pro America. Deal?

Anyway, this just in.

AL QAEDA SPOKESMAN ADAM GADAHN WORKS FOR THE ISRAELI GOVERNMENT, END OF STORY

“Israeli terrorist “clones” are responsible for most hard line rhetoric, threats and, if we investigated closely, have actually recruited terrorists and directly inspired, if not planned and executed, attacks on Americans…Gadahn is part of it, so is Wikileaks” SOURCE

Okay Carpro, your turn. Tell everyone how anti American and anti semitic this veteran is for writting this article and how anti American and anti semitic Veterans Today is for publishing this article.

And while your at it don't forget to toss a couple more low brow insults my way. I'm countin on ya. :smilewinkgrin:

Then if you wouldn't mind, if it isn't asking too awful much would you please explain to everyone here the difference between a patriot and a nationalist? C'mon now, just for fun?

BTW, the world wide web is called the world wide web because it's world wide. In other words I could move anywhere that has an internet connection and still post on BB. You'd have thought they would have at least taught you that in neocon jingoism 101. :laugh:

As a side note, so far my thread as in this one has been viewed 405 times while your thread about NPR has only been viewed 98 times. I dunno, maybe your kind of propaganda is losing it's edge already?

 

[poncho]

Oops. Got caught up in the moment.