VACCINATIONS In NY State

[Salty]

How is it different? Refugees and the parents of Jesus fled to protect their family from harm. The only difference is that the US has unChristian laws. The only difference is the existence of anti-Christian policies.
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Melchizedeck - you are getting off OP - I have started a new thread for your statement/questions.

Lets stay on OP --
"NY has passed a law which will take effect this coming public School year (Sep 2019)

All students must be vaccinated against measles, among other shots.

Religious exemptions will NOT be granted - under any circumstance."

and now back to the OP

 

[church mouse guy]

Did you read the bible? The part where they fled Judea, to avoid having their child killed, as many refugees are doing because of the cartels?

No one can read your mind on these things. It is up to you to specify book, chapter, and verse instead of making rude remarks. Next you might be saying that Lot was an illegal alien in Sodom.

 

[church mouse guy]

Really, it was all part of the Roman Empire, They weren't migrant nor immigrants, it's as if you moved from Colorado to Kansas.

I don't agree with mandatory vaccinations, there should be at least a religious exemption, although we have them all here at my house. So I really don't care if some kid is unvaccinated, almost surely am immune. There is also herd immunity in play.

Excellent point.

We force vaccines on our children but allow millions of unknown Democrats in without a health question. We don't even tell them about toothbrushes and toothpaste. New York is a nanny state anyway.

 

[Reynolds]

It's not the vaccinated children that are at risk. It's those who have a compromised immune system or those who can't afford to be vaccinated. I had a girl back in high school with this condition, and even a cold could be a big problem. So imagine her getting measles. It could kill her.

Like I said before, it is well within your right not to vaccinate your own children. But if they show signs of having measles or another serious illness, keep them out of school for the sake of the other kids.

Funny how the goal posts move a mile.

 

[Reynolds]

Not vaccinating causes exponentially more injuries. It kills kids. If one wishes to live in a society, they are not allowed to live in it as a biohazard. People get injured going into a restroom to use a toilet. That doesn't not give me the right to poop in public where I please. It's a health hazard to other people.

Vaccines are a health hazard to some kids. Vaccines are not safe. They are a calculated risk.

 

[NoQuieroUnQueso]

Funny how the goal posts move a mile.

Would you care to elaborate, please?

 

[melchizedeck]

Melchizedeck - you are getting off OP - I have started a new thread for your statement/questions.

Lets stay on OP --
"NY has passed a law which will take effect this coming public School year (Sep 2019)

All students must be vaccinated against measles, among other shots.

Religious exemptions will NOT be granted - under any circumstance."

and now back to the OP

I replied there. I would point out I have no interest in deviating from the topic. The post immediately following what I am quoting shows that someone has a tendency to deliberately derail a topic.

 

[melchizedeck]

No one can read your mind on these things. It is up to you to specify book, chapter, and verse instead of making rude remarks. Next you might be saying that Lot

Melchizedeck: Jesus, Mary, and Joseph were immigrants.
Church Mouse Guy: Where do you get those ideas?

If you do not know that Jesus, Mary and Joseph were immigrants, you ought to spend more time reading your bible instead of posting here.

 

[melchizedeck]

Oh, you must be another socialist.
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Your analogy sucks.

Thank you for edifying me.

 

[melchizedeck]

Vaccines are a health hazard to some kids. Vaccines are not safe. They are a calculated risk.

People will slip on the floor on the way to the toilet. However, that gives no rational basis for pooping in public places. It's like having a child with a high fever and not going to the doctor because of the risk that you might get in a car accident.

Vaccines are not a calculated risk. There is nothing to calculate. People will very rarely have adverse reactions. Not immunizing everyone has caused serious health problems for innocent children in the US.
People who do not vaccinate their children have no rational basis for doing so. They have no business having children if they are going to make such bad decisions for their children while risking the health of the children of responsible parents.

Having unvaccinated children should be as much of a crime as deliberately sleeping around with a sexually transmitted disease.

 

[Reynolds]

People will slip on the floor on the way to the toilet. However, that gives no rational basis for pooping in public places. It's like having a child with a high fever and not going to the doctor because of the risk that you might get in a car accident.

Vaccines are not a calculated risk. There is nothing to calculate. People will very rarely have adverse reactions. Not immunizing everyone has caused serious health problems for innocent children in the US.
People who do not vaccinate their children have no rational basis for doing so. They have no business having children if they are going to make such bad decisions for their children while risking the health of the children of responsible parents.

Having unvaccinated children should be as much of a crime as deliberately sleeping around with a sexually transmitted disease.

Tell that to my good friend who had her perfectly normal 16 year old honor student turned into a special Ed student by vaccine injury. You do what you want with your kids and I will do what I want with mine. I don't give a rats rear end what you think about my parenting.
Vaccines are not subject to the same safety testing as other drugs. They will not blind test them. Vaccine manufacturers are given absolute immunity by law. That should tell you all you need to know.

If the vaccines work so well, you have nothing to worry about.

 

[777]

Yep, this monstrosity: National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act - Wikipedia

Vaccines are a health hazard to some kids. Vaccines are not safe. They are a calculated risk.

Yeah, and the anti-vax movement has been big in CA for decades, but just now the old diseases are making a comeback. Again, any parent that refuses to vaccinate a child will ONLY put that child at risk.

Find the new NY state law jackboot to the nth degree. My mother was a physician but wouldn't get a flu shot after she almost died from the flu in 1976 after getting one.

 

[church mouse guy]

Melchizedeck: Jesus, Mary, and Joseph were immigrants.
Church Mouse Guy: Where do you get those ideas?

If you do not know that Jesus, Mary and Joseph were immigrants, you ought to spend more time reading your bible instead of posting here.

You sound like a communist. Reference your allusions because no one knows what you are talking about. As 777 pointed out, Egypt was part of the Roman Empire so no one changed countries.

 

[Reynolds]

Yep, this monstrosity: National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act - Wikipedia



Yeah, and the anti-vax movement has been big in CA for decades, but just now the old diseases are making a comeback. Again, any parent that refuses to vaccinate a child will ONLY put that child at risk.

Find the new NY state law jackboot to the nth degree. My mother was a physician but wouldn't get a flu shot after she almost died from the flu in 1976 after getting one.

Neither my family Dr not my ENT will take a flu shot. My family Dr says the flu shot is in his opinion highly ineffective and moderately dangerous. My father's pulmonary Dr. Will not let him take the flu shot because the last 3 times he took it he was in the hospital with pneumonia within 5 days.

My kids had the same vaccines I had. MMR, protussis, and tetnis. I didn't give them the 40 other ones that vaccinate against non life threatening stuff. They, like me, and most Native Americans carry significant hep b antibodies anyway.

My kids pediatrician is one of the few who don't require parents to vaccinate. She stands firm that there is no link between autism and vaccines. She also admits that out of the 25% of her patients thst don't vaccinate, she has never had a case of autism. She also admits that percentage wise more of her patients who have the flu shot get the flu than the ones who don't. She further admits than in the ones that do vaccinate, autism is roughly the national average. Yet, there is no correlation

 

[melchizedeck]

Tell that to my good friend who had her perfectly normal 16 year old honor student turned into a special Ed student by vaccine injury.

Tell me how that happened? What vaccine did her child receive?
The truth is that her child did not receive any vaccination that caused her to go from being an honor student to a special ed student. Like most parents, she had a 16 year old that acted like 16 year olds do and wanted to blame something, anything, for it.

You do what you want with your kids and I will do what I want with mine. I don't give a rats rear end what you think about my parenting.

If you aren't vaccinating your children, that's neglect and endangering the children of others.

Vaccines are not subject to the same safety testing as other drugs. They will not blind test them. Vaccine manufacturers are given absolute immunity by law. That should tell you all you need to know.

If the vaccines work so well, you have nothing to worry about.

Vaccines are not drugs. Vaccine producers are not immune from US law.

Vaccines do not protect children that have not reached the age of receiving the vaccine. If a parent has an unvaccinated child, they are more dangerous than the people that let their pit bulls run about freely in neighborhoods.

 

[melchizedeck]

You sound like a communist. Reference your allusions because no one knows what you are talking about. As 777 pointed out, Egypt was part of the Roman Empire so no one changed countries.

Egypt was a kingdom client state of the Roman Empire, as Judea was.
Joseph, Mary, and Jesus were not citizens of the Roman Empire.
Fun fact, Paul was a citizen of the Roman Empire.

Jesus was not a citizen of the Roman Empire and he was an undocumented worker who traveled between the Kingdom of Judea and Egypt.

 

[melchizedeck]

Neither my family Dr not my ENT will take a flu shot. My family Dr says the flu shot is in his opinion highly ineffective and moderately dangerous. My father's pulmonary Dr. Will not let him take the flu shot because the last 3 times he took it he was in the hospital with pneumonia within 5 days.

My kids had the same vaccines I had. MMR, protussis, and tetnis. I didn't give them the 40 other ones that vaccinate against non life threatening stuff. They, like me, and most Native Americans carry significant hep b antibodies anyway.

Carrying Hepatitis B antibodies does not mean you are immune. It means you have been infected unless you have been vaccinated.

 

[church mouse guy]

Egypt was a kingdom client state of the Roman Empire, as Judea was.
Joseph, Mary, and Jesus were not citizens of the Roman Empire.
Fun fact, Paul was a citizen of the Roman Empire.

Jesus was not a citizen of the Roman Empire and he was an undocumented worker who traveled between the Kingdom of Judea and Egypt.

Book, chapter, verse? The Holy Family was only in Egypt briefly. They were well off and they left a good place for a bad place. They were legal. Roman did not grant citizenship to many. Rome was the original nazi state. Your point is incorrect. Jesus never worked in Egypt. You have no book, chapter, and verse and you can't find one.

 

[Reynolds]

Tell me how that happened? What vaccine did her child receive?
The truth is that her child did not receive any vaccination that caused her to go from being an honor student to a special ed student. Like most parents, she had a 16 year old that acted like 16 year olds do and wanted to blame something, anything, for it.



If you aren't vaccinating your children, that's neglect and endangering the children of others.



Vaccines are not drugs. Vaccine producers are not immune from US law.

Vaccines do not protect children that have not reached the age of receiving the vaccine. If a parent has an unvaccinated child, they are more dangerous than the people that let their pit bulls run about freely in neighborhoods.

You obviously have not read the law. It grants absolute immunity to the manufacturers.
If my friends vaccine injury was as you say an excuse for bad behavior, why were they paid by the vaccine injury fund? Why was she in the hospital for over two weeks, beginning 3 days after receiving the vaccine, with extreme high fever, seizures, and neurological disorders?

 

[Reynolds]

Carrying Hepatitis B antibodies does not mean you are immune. It means you have been infected unless you have been vaccinated.

Good to know that you know more than the doctor who did the blood work.