Vaccinations no help against Covid?

[Revmitchell]

Who knows. People say unvaccinated folk do not really die of COVID, and if this is true then neither do vaccinated folk.

In all seriousness, as with any virus vaccinated and unvaccinated people can die of the virus in question.

People are not stupid (most of them). They realize presenting vaccinated people dying from COVID is the argument of fools. No vaccine is 100% effective. Also, there are the same "pre-existing conditions" that exist for unvaccinated people (a fact COVID alarmists and anti-vaccine cultists ignore).

But there are enough fools that there will always be enough around to see vaccinated people dying of COVID as evidence against the vacvine. The majority of people, however, are probably not that stupid.

That is one reason the UK argument was so silly. As the vaccine rate increases so will the COVID deaths among the vaccinated. That is not only logical but it is common sense. It is dishonest manipulation, stupidity, or simple ignorance to claim this rise equates to a problem with the vaccine.

what is stupid is to ignore the facts that the vaccine is killing people in and of itself and people with the the vaccine are still getting COVID and dying.

People making choices based on those facts are not stupid. Ignoring them as if they do not exist is.

 

[JonC]

what is stupid is to ignore the facts that the vaccine is killing people in and of itself and people with the the vaccine are still getting COVID and dying.

People making choices based on those facts are not stupid. Ignoring them as if they do not exist is.

You have no evidence (remember...people don't really die of COVID but preexisting conditions).

Or do you feel above the standards you apply to others?

 

[Wingman68]

How concerned are you about adverse events related to the vaccines?

This site is limited to medical professionals, & their reactions. You will not get the patient stories here, such as on other sites where the real horror stories are. I saw a video, banned of course, of a human brain during an autopsy after a vac death. They sliced it horizontally & opened the two halves. Every cavity where blood should flow was totally filled with blood clots, like a solid mass of jelly. Notice too that because this is still in clinical trial phase, they don’t have to put possible adverse affects in their continuous ads to get the shot, like on other medications that are approved. How convenient.

The VAERS site used for reporting deaths & adverse reactions was shut down yesterday. See no evil, speak no evil, hear no evil. It is a convenient way to keep the numbers down too, heh? Maybe it was overwhelmed, if you want to look at it ‘positively’. It will be the dem’s waterloo if they try to mandate this. JMO.

 

[dad2]

If I put 200% it was a typo. Getting old, I guess.

Ok, I thought maybe my math was old fashioned

 

[dad2]

My comment about masks not being so bad given my work environment was because of my work environment.

I do not like masks and will not wear them unless necessary. You are right that with COVID they were only to protect others from large droplets (that could potentially carry the virus...like sneezes, coughs, exposure when talking, ect).

But my comment was they do offer protection against stuff in my work environment (alpha particles).

I get it. Some leaders seem to think they can play 'put the masks back on' and then 'now take them back off' game forever. That is a bit like the game where they say the vaccinations are the answer, then require people and kids to mask up regardless because the vaccinations were not so wonderful after all. Oh, and then there is the game where they whisper about endless booster shots and a third shot etc.

 

[Revmitchell]

You have no evidence (remember...people don't really die of COVID but preexisting conditions).

I don’t know a soulless who ever said such a thing.


All you gotta do is ask. I don’t expect you to back up any of your claims though.


At Least 9,245 Americans Tested Positive for COVID-19 After Vaccination; 132 Dead


How Many Have Died From COVID Vaccines?


CDC Caught Deleting 6,000 COVID Vaccine Deaths From VAERS Website, Report Says

Latest VAERS Data Show: 5,165 Deaths Reported Following COVID Vaccines | Z3 News

 

[JonC]

I don’t know a soulless who ever said such a thing.


All you gotta do is ask. I don’t expect you to back up any of your claims though.


At Least 9,245 Americans Tested Positive for COVID-19 After Vaccination; 132 Dead


How Many Have Died From COVID Vaccines?


CDC Caught Deleting 6,000 COVID Vaccine Deaths From VAERS Website, Report Says

Latest VAERS Data Show: 5,165 Deaths Reported Following COVID Vaccines | Z3 News

You are about as correct as this comment:

We will return to normal long before there is a vaccine.

Look up posts by Aaron.

Or follow this thread:

There are people on BB who are claiming many of the deaths being attributed to Covid-19 aren't really from Covid-19 and there is some unethical reason that these deaths are being recorded as such.

I found this article to be very interesting. Basically it says that the body's response to contracting Covid-19 is causing all kinds of strange reactions, exacerbating the usual treatments and flummoxing doctors. It is likely that people are dying of causes brought on by Covid-19, causes normally thought unrelated to historical coronaviruses. And these deaths are not from pre-existing conditions.

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"This is not just a disease of the virus. Something else peculiar happens to the human body."--Dr. Mandeep Mehra

The hospitals readied themselves for a surge, they focused on the lungs. Ventilators were lined up in neat rows. Extra staff was called in to train on emergency treatment of breathing complications.

But as the ICUs filled with covid-19 patients, surprised doctors began to see dysfunction in other organs: Kidneys. Liver. Intestines. Skin. Even the brain. Dr. Pascual called them "curveballs," and there were a lot of them.

In New York, Dr. Reich was doing rounds at the hospital just as its patient load was accelerating, and a critical care doctor grabbed him in the hallway talking about how strange it was the tubes in kidney machines were clogging. A few days later, he heard from a lung specialist who was seeing an unusual pattern of high carbon dioxide levels in patients, even after giving them large amounts of oxygen. Then, a neurosurgeon called in about unusual clots in patients in their 30s and 40s.

More:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/05/13/coronavirus-treatments/?outputType=amp

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Boy they sure are trying to justify their exaggerated claims.

There are in fact skeptics - NOT based on data or science but on the ideologies the people these hold:

My skepticism is a result of the ideology of those making the claims and the many occurances of flat out being wrong.

Yet again, through their ubiquitous predictive programming tactic, they've told us exactly what they're doing. And it's not the complicated scam, it's the simple scam. Occam's Razor.

It’s amazing to me, walking around now, one year later, when there is clearly no pandemic. It is obvious! You show people chemtrails, something you can literally see, and they can’t see it. You tell them there’s a disease that’s killing everybody even though nobody’s dying from it, and they buy it hook, line and sinker. Hypnotized, spellbound. Turn off the TV programming and wake up!

The genie's out of the bottle.

 

[dad2]

Apparently according to the CDC 3/4 of people getting sick with new covid strain are the vaccinated.

Once again, this brings vaccines and the great vaccine push into question. Many say it seems to be about power.

I saw this article where they did like the Nazis used to do to segregate people...gave em a yellow star!

B.C. health authority apologizes after yellow star handed out at COVID-19 vaccine clinic



CDC releases study showing 3/4 Delta cases are among the vaccinated, says masks are the answer

 

[Wingman68]

Rich of JonC to bring up Aaron. How long does a temporary ban last? Just curious.

 

[Squire Robertsson]

Rich of JonC to bring up Aaron. How long does a temporary ban last? Just curious.

Aaron is permabanned.

 

[kathleenmariekg]

The new statistics about the outbreak in Provincetown Massachusetts are interesting. I am just on a cheap tablet, so can't easily research or post links.

 

[JonC]

Apparently according to the CDC 3/4 of people getting sick with new covid strain are the vaccinated.

Once again, this brings vaccines and the great vaccine push into question. Many say it seems to be about power.

I saw this article where they did like the Nazis used to do to segregate people...gave em a yellow star!

B.C. health authority apologizes after yellow star handed out at COVID-19 vaccine clinic



CDC releases study showing 3/4 Delta cases are among the vaccinated, says masks are the answer

Good. That means more people are being vaccinated.

Did you actually think that the vaccine was intended to keep people from getting COVID??? Under both the Trump and Biden Administration the CDC said vaccinated people could get the virus, but with less severe symptoms. They also said vaccinated people probably woukd not transmit the virus because of viral load.

This is how vaccines work. You get the virus and the antibodies provided by the vaccine provides a viral defense. It is not like a bug repellent.

 

[dad2]

Good. That means more people are being vaccinated.

Did you actually think that the vaccine was intended to keep people from getting COVID??? Under both the Trump and Biden Administration the CDC said vaccinated people could get the virus, but with less severe symptoms. They also said vaccinated people probably woukd not transmit the virus because of viral load.

This is how vaccines work. You get the virus and the antibodies provided by the vaccine provides a viral defense. It is not like a bug repellent.

vaccination
the process or an act of giving someone a vaccine (= a substance put into a person's body to prevent them getting a disease):

Should we reinvent words according to your opinion now?
Have you any data to prove that vaccinated people do not transmit as much as normal people?

 

[dad2]

The new statistics about the outbreak in Provincetown Massachusetts are interesting. I am just on a cheap tablet, so can't easily research or post links.

What do they say?

 

[kathleenmariekg]

Sorry, I missed the page with this topic already covered. I am on a cheap cellular tablet and I am losing my vision. I borrow a WiFi hotspot from the library and between loans I am reduced to a promotional tablet.

I was studying all day for a test that was too hard for me, and reading stuff on my breaks. After the test, I was so exhausted that I fell asleep. Now that I woke up, I don't know what I read where. It is all a blur. I was definitely reading something about immunized people releasing large viral loads somewhere, but don,t remember if it was Provincetown. I think it was.

Immunizing already infected people is new. Saying an immunization works better than infection is new. Saying an immunization is to decrease severity instead of prevent disease is new.

Booster talk almost halted as soon as the first vaccine was released, and many people suffered serious side effects with the assumption that they would be preventing something.

I am not sold on the idea to take something that will makes me sick in hope that I will get less sick when I eventually get infected, and that I need to keep getting increasingly sick from vaccine boosters, with the idea that the sicker I get from the vaccine, the better I am protected.

That is another new idea: the worse the reaction to the vaccine, the better.

Mixing and matching vaccines is scary. People are being warned not to do that, but being told that what they started with isn't as effective as another brand.

I am waiting to be vaccinated for many reasons, but one specific reason is making sure I start with the right vaccine, if I am going to become tied to a brand.

I have had some serious health problems over the years, and at times denied treatments that I could not afford. Then years later I found out that I was spared the side effects that turned out worse than the condition.

Chickenpox vaccine wears off. There was a lot of talk about adults getting chickenpox, and was the long-term impact of the vaccine more serious infections than if people were not immunized as children.

There are long-term consequences to what we choose to do now. There was a vaccine drive here and I was conflicted about what I should do. On the evening of the drive, I was very sick. Even if I thought I should inject a disease into an already sick body, I was too weak to walk in the 107 heat to the site while I was that sick.

That was my one and only opportunity to be vaccinated. I am really looking to God to make it impossible for me to mess this up. His pattern with me has been less medical care, not more. I have been told that I would die without treatment, but then denied the treatment. I lived. I am here. God is going to have to be in charge of this for me, too. I am too stupid to know what I am supposed to do. He is going to have to be the parent.

I am stuck in this desert slum, surviving as if on daily manna. My faith is growing as a result of this dependency. And I am just waiting to see what happens next. To me and to the world.

 

[Wingman68]

CDC Releases Study Showing 3/4 of Delta Cases Are Among the Vaccinated

All vaccinated & unvaccinated exhibited the same viral load, hence the call to remask. So the shot is antiquated already providing no benefit for variants, vaxxed will still be spreaders, hence the masks. Not seeing high mortality rates though with this variant either way…..but wait a new variant is on the way. You would think that other treatment options would now have to be mentioned, & if they are not, I can only come to the agenda driven conclusion, & that is not good.

 

[JonC]

vaccination
the process or an act of giving someone a vaccine (= a substance put into a person's body to prevent them getting a disease):

Should we reinvent words according to your opinion now?
Have you any data to prove that vaccinated people do not transmit as much as normal people?

I hate to state the obvious, but I take it you ate an adult who should have had the integrity to research the obvious before venturing into conspiracy theory.

Understanding How COVID-19 Vaccines Work

 

[Wingman68]

I hate to state the obvious, but I take it you ate an adult who should have had the integrity to research the obvious before venturing into conspiracy theory.

Understanding How COVID-19 Vaccines Work

I hate to state the obvious but this is not a vaccine so stop pretending that it is.

 

[JonC]

I hate to state the obvious but this is not a vaccine so stop pretending that it is.

They are vaccines. It is dishonest to pretend it is not.

You can question the benefit of any of these vaccines compared to the potential side effects. That would be fair. But every facing thus far used produces antibodies to combat the virus.

Closing your eyes and claiming the vaccines do not exist is willful ignorance.

 

[Wingman68]

They are vaccines. It is dishonest to pretend it is not.

You can question the benefit of any of these vaccines compared to the potential side effects. That would be fair. But every facing thus far used produces antibodies to combat the virus.

Closing your eyes and claiming the vaccines do not exist is willful ignorance.

Why was Fauci denied a patent for HIV vax, which was also mRNA, because it wasn’t a vaccine.