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Vaccine mandates on public gatherings.
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The OP is a bit off.
That is up to the churches (each congregation should determine the risk). I believe a church is a type of family.
Yes, a Christian concert venue should be subject to maintaining the safety of their customers.
The crowds depend on the capacity of the venue. To operate at full capacity rather than enforce partial capacity risks need to be mitigated. (To exchange one safe measure for another another measure has to be in place).
Businesses are suffering because of restrictions. The restrictions can be lifted if risks are handled through vaccination. Vaccine rejections want to benefit from lifted restrictions but at tge same time want to nullify the reason restrictions are lifted.
It is not fair to most Americans to have to operate at reduced capacity, to continue to hurt the economy and struggle to support their families simply to let those who reject vaccines attend their venues.
It is time for our nation to move forward. Those who reject vaccines can stay behind - we need to stop allowing them to be an anchor dragging us down.
Under your formula, it's not up to the Churches. Under your formula, they can be coerced to "freely choose".
You seem to like to discuss logical. Logically how do you draw a distinction between Joel Osteen or John Macarthurs church service and a concert. Jammed elbow to elbow by the thousands. If Covid not dangerous at Church,v why is it dangerous at a concert? Would love to see some consistency here.
Under MY formula places of worship decide. You don't get to define my formula, brother.
It is not about keeping people from volunteering to be at risk.
Our country is not fully open (if you have not noticed). Businesses are suffering. Our economy is suffering.
People should be able to choose whether to be vaccinated. But they should not be able to deprive others of their freedom to live.
Businesses have restrictions across the nation. We thanked God for giving us a safe (by medical standards) and effective vaccine.
The vaccine rejections were afraid they would be forced to be vaccinated, but they were not. Instead restrictions that were in placed to mitigate risk were being removed as the vaccine mitigated risk.
No wanting to miss a chance to complain the vaccine rejections then cried " my freedom...liberty" because they wanted to force people to let them in their venues.
But the whole point of lifting restrictions was a proven vacvine (proven to medical standards) was avaliable to all.
So you act as if you have the right to demand entrance into another person's business. Act as if your freedom to choose means you can shackle a whole nation.
No. We dealt with the pandemic for 2 years. Our economy suffered. Business went under. In May 2020 we got a vaccine and now have 3 approved vacvines.
Vaccine rejections do not get to be a millstone around our nation's neck. It is time Our nation moves in, moves into the future. Those who reject vaccines can choose to hop on board at any time or be left behind. They are free to do that. But they have no right to drag a nation down with them.
Your formula said large public gatherings. That would be a church service. You are inconsistent at best. You sound like Joe Biden. Again, just open everything up and let the chips fall. Y'all scared to do it. You know your vax won't hold up. Y'all want to drag everyone else down the destroyed immune system path with you. Because you are fearful. You surrender to tyrany out of fear.
Uh....no. My "formula" was large public venues. My "formula" excluded religious and family gatherings. My "formula" has to do with with indoor public events, ballgames, concerts and such.
My "formula" pertains to businesses and the economy. If your church is a business then you have more problems than a vaccine.
What sounds like Biden is you putting requirements in my "formula".
Trust me, I am able to say what I mean. I do not need your additions.
I would hope church members cared about one another to get vaccinated, but I suspect for many their love if perceived threats to their secular rights will prevail.
You make no sense. It's either about protecting from Covid, or it's not. Covid does not know the difference between a Basket ball game and a Joel Osteen Church service. Only difference is Joel has more people in attendance. It's either about Covid or it's not. The gathering size is all that's relevant to Covid. Covid does not care if it's a for profit or not for profit.
No. People who took the vaccine did so because they see the benefits and risks of the vaccine as outweighing the risk of covid.
The idea of requiring vaccinations for public venues, flying, etc. is about protecting our nation, our economy, and our freedoms. I'm not saying the government mandates these restrictions. I am talking about businesses having the freedom.
It is not the public's business what churches do. If a church is anti-vax I can find another. Same with families. It is not the publics business what families do in regards to allowing unvaccinated people in their homes.
But we can mitigate the risk of covid at public venues, sports events, concerts, etc.
Now, I am not saying a concert should be forced to mandate vaccinations. I am saying they should be allowed to look after the best interests of their clients.
Why not allow people determine for themselves if THEIR organizations, businesses, etc. will require a vaccine for admission.
That is freedom.
NEVER LET A CRISIS GO TO WASTE! ! !
END OF STORY, FULL STOP! ! !
END OF STORY, FULL STOP! ! !
It is a crisis if the unvaccinated ate able to dictate to businesses how to protect their business.
We live in a free society. Bit more and more our freedoms are being eroded.
Now we see this with the anti-covid-vaccine movement.
They want to choose for themselves whether to be vaccinated. I agree they should.
But the they want to choose for business owners how they can protect their income, their employees and their customers!
What gives these vaccine rejections the right to decide how a private company does business?
They pretend to be about liberty but just beneath the facade they are stripping freedoms from our nation.
Let capitalism work! Stop trying to dictate everybody bow to your desires. If a venue requires vaccines and it us the wrong decision then capitalism will quickly fix it.
Minority rule is not the solution. Socialism is not the solution. Allow men to be free. Stop trying to strip others of liberty. You have yours - decide whether to get vaccinated. But leave us to live our lives and run our businesses as we see fit.
Because that is not what is happening. The govt is letting the business decide if they require vaxes. They get to decide if they want full capacity vaxed or quarter capacity unvaxed. That's not a free choice, it's strong arm thuggery.
Businesses are owned. The owners of businesses should be able to decide how they run their businesses. If they require masks, vaccinations, no masks....that is their right.
Strong armed thuggery is the anti-vovid-vaxers trying to strip freedoms away from businesses. That is wrong.
We are a capitalistic nation. Don't trash liberty for minority rule.
Ok...let me ask here, @Reynolds and @just-want-peace
If you believe capitalism is such a bad idea, if it is so wrong to let owners decide for themselves how their businesses will be run and capitalism determine their fate....what is your alternative?
If you believe capitalism is such a bad idea, if it is so wrong to let owners decide for themselves how their businesses will be run and capitalism determine their fate....what is your alternative?
The govt is not letting business owners make a free choice. They are strong arming the businesses into making the "choice" the govt mandates.
Give business owners a true free choice and I agree. The choice the govt now gives is do what we want or get fined out of business.
1 - False statement to begin! I have made no indication that I think/believe capitalism is bad!
2 - No problem at all with owners making such decisions!! Also false!!
3 - Problem is pressure from govt AND pro-vaxers to deny services to anti-vaxers.
Let businesses make their own decisions and customers make their choices; now that isn't too hard is it??
JFTR, I have been vaxed, but I hold no, none, nada, zilch animosity toward those who choose different from me.
If I get too scared of MY chances with the bug, I can stay home & have everything I need brought to my door - or - I can just live day to day, trust God for my safety while not doing something stupid like (from another poster complaining about my trust in God) stepping in front of a semi and trusting God to keep me from harm!!!
LIVE, and LET LIVE. All people are not stupid, like the left wants you to believe, and most can live very rational lives if
L E F T A L O N E ! ! !
Good grief taking the vaccine has nothing to do with protecting our freedoms. Talk about propaganda
I misunderstood you.
So you are in favor of companies requiring proof of vaccination from their customers if they decide it is best for their company. I wholeheartedly agree.
Let businesses decide. The majority of Americans are vaccinated and we can decide with our dollars without stripping them of their freedom.
What fines are imposed on businesses if they do not require their customers provide proof of vaccination?
Strawman argument. We are talking about businesses being able to decide if they require customers to show proof of vaccination - NOT people getting vaccinated.
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