Bobby Hamilton
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Voting is a right of US Citizens. If you can't prove you are a US Citizen, you shouldn't get to vote.
What's so hard about that?
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Voter ID laws
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Voting is a right of US Citizens. If you can't prove you are a US Citizen, you shouldn't get to vote.
What's so hard about that?
Bobby Hamilton
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I'm not one of those people, and I certainly don't demand it.
I simply don't have an issue with it, and think showing a photo ID is a wonderful idea, and it's not in the least bit racist.
Here ya go
Map of Acorn voter fraud cases
http://www.rottenacorn.com/activityMap.html
"Clifton Mitchell helped register nearly 2,000 voters for the community group ACORN. But not one of them actually existed.
"I regret it. I paid the price for it," he said.
Mitchell was convicted last year and spent nearly three months in prison. He's one of the few ACORN workers convicted of voter registration fraud."
Source: http://articles.cnn.com/2008-10-22/...workers-number-of-swing-states?_s=PM:POLITICS
More:
http://www.jsonline.com/news/milwaukee/91776779.html
"On Monday, Nevada officials charged Acorn, its regional director and its Las Vegas field director with submitting thousands of fraudulent voter registration forms last year. Larry Lomax, the registrar of voters in Las Vegas, says he believes 48% of Acorn's forms "are clearly fraudulent." On Thursday, prosecutors in Pittsburgh, Pa., also charged seven Acorn employees with filing hundreds of fraudulent voter registrations before last year's general election."
Source: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124182750646102435.html
"A Milwaukee Rescue Mission employee said in the television report that he had to ask Democratic campaign volunteers to leave the property after he caught them trying to bribe potential voters with cigarettes."
Source: http://cnsnews.com/node/26533
and there's plenty more out there if you really want to know.....
Map of Acorn voter fraud cases
http://www.rottenacorn.com/activityMap.html
"Clifton Mitchell helped register nearly 2,000 voters for the community group ACORN. But not one of them actually existed.
"I regret it. I paid the price for it," he said.
Mitchell was convicted last year and spent nearly three months in prison. He's one of the few ACORN workers convicted of voter registration fraud."
Source: http://articles.cnn.com/2008-10-22/...workers-number-of-swing-states?_s=PM:POLITICS
More:
http://www.jsonline.com/news/milwaukee/91776779.html
"On Monday, Nevada officials charged Acorn, its regional director and its Las Vegas field director with submitting thousands of fraudulent voter registration forms last year. Larry Lomax, the registrar of voters in Las Vegas, says he believes 48% of Acorn's forms "are clearly fraudulent." On Thursday, prosecutors in Pittsburgh, Pa., also charged seven Acorn employees with filing hundreds of fraudulent voter registrations before last year's general election."
Source: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124182750646102435.html
"A Milwaukee Rescue Mission employee said in the television report that he had to ask Democratic campaign volunteers to leave the property after he caught them trying to bribe potential voters with cigarettes."
Source: http://cnsnews.com/node/26533
and there's plenty more out there if you really want to know.....
Nothing's hard about it. It's the law. Do you have examples of mass amounts of illegals voting?
Why do we need a new government bureaucracy to administer a program that so far has not exhibited any need to exist?
None of the fake people actually voted. The system worked and stopped the fraud.
Seven people were caught performing voter fraud.
Says that there were a fair amount of fraudulent voter registrations submitted but says nothing about actual fraudulent votes being cast. Apparently the system caught them before they could implement their ultimate fraud.
Yes, I want to know about actual fraudulent votes being cast in an election, not about an overzealous person or group of people making up names and putting them on voter registration forms.
freeatlast
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The question is too broad and also too narrow in what you offered for responses. It depends on the law and how it is set up and it does not have to be racist, but it could be.
I'm against a new voter ID. We already have a national ID: The social security card (which reminds me, I need to go get a new copy of mine; I've been using my military ID for so long, I have no idea whatever happened to my SS card).
Granted, the social security card doesn't have a picture. I'm okay with that. You show a social security card issued by the federal government; if someone else votes with that same social security number, then it's the federal government's fault for issuing the same number to more than one person.
Can people use a fake social security card? Sure they can; and yes, they already do. What makes anyone think that they won't be able to do the same with a "new" national ID card?
Make it a requirement to show additional picture ID? Look, you've already got a card that was issued by the federal governmet; and on both sides of the fence, both conservative and liberal/democrat and republican, aren't they encouraging us to trust the government?
If voting verification reveals multiple votes from the same social security number, well, guess what? The feds already have the primary holder of that number; they question that individual, and then go on the hunt for who's faking social security cards.
Don't have a social security card? You're in a very, very small minority. In many states, in order to get a driver's license without a social security card, you must present a letter from the Social Security Administration documenting the reason. I propose the same thing with voting. So everyone still gets a chance to vote.
No need to create new bureaucratic agencies. No need to spend millions of taxpayer money on another card.
Granted, the social security card doesn't have a picture. I'm okay with that. You show a social security card issued by the federal government; if someone else votes with that same social security number, then it's the federal government's fault for issuing the same number to more than one person.
Can people use a fake social security card? Sure they can; and yes, they already do. What makes anyone think that they won't be able to do the same with a "new" national ID card?
Make it a requirement to show additional picture ID? Look, you've already got a card that was issued by the federal governmet; and on both sides of the fence, both conservative and liberal/democrat and republican, aren't they encouraging us to trust the government?
If voting verification reveals multiple votes from the same social security number, well, guess what? The feds already have the primary holder of that number; they question that individual, and then go on the hunt for who's faking social security cards.
Don't have a social security card? You're in a very, very small minority. In many states, in order to get a driver's license without a social security card, you must present a letter from the Social Security Administration documenting the reason. I propose the same thing with voting. So everyone still gets a chance to vote.
No need to create new bureaucratic agencies. No need to spend millions of taxpayer money on another card.
Prove it....(this message was too short, but now it ain't)
menageriekeeper
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Reasonable yes. But personally an either or with a driver's liscense or birth certificate should be sufficient. (not the SS card because numbers could be easily gleaned from signature sheets leading to ID theft)
As far as a national id card goes, I'm against it. We don't live in communist Soviet Union and don't need papers to travel around the country......or vote!
As far as a national id card goes, I'm against it. We don't live in communist Soviet Union and don't need papers to travel around the country......or vote!
Magnetic Poles
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False Dichotomy Fallacy
if you're talking about the poll options - I'd disagree, because it's addressing what the liberal democrat anti-voting ID crowd has identified as the choices for not wanting a voting ID.
As a general rule - you're correct. They've set up a false dichotomy.
"The House of Representatives shall be composed of Members chosen every second Year by the People of the several States" --U.S. Constitution Article 1 Sec. 2
"The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude." --U.S. Constitution, 15th amendment, sec. 1
Bunk, no one is guaranteed the right to vote by either of those statements. It would only take a minimum of 3 to accomplish what Article 1, Sec. 2, says, and the 15th Amd. makes no assumption that anyone has a right to vote-- just 3 reasons it cannot be denied.
Besides, courts have ruled that the incarcerated must be allowed ministers/clergy and holy books if they choose because they still have a right to their religion. Has it been ruled that prisoners must be let out to vote because that is also a right?
freeatlast
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Two states do allow people in prison to vote. Vermont and Maine. The sad thing is that our courts and government have not followed the constitution and made this mandatory in all states based on the constitution.
New births ARE registered with the government----a la SS #'s When my kids were born the hospital had us fill out these neat little government forms---and a couple of weeks later we got these neat little cards in the mail
Income tax forms require SS #'s of all children under your roof
Of course, I could be wrong---this could all be a bad dream or something--but I think this time I'm right!
"The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied..."
Really? That doesn't say it's a right to vote? Golly-gee whiz...
Yes, you must be:
a.) a citizen
b.) have skin,
and
c.) be in the service of someone else, or not in the service of someone.
Otherwise you can't vote.
Bobby Hamilton
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Still waiting on someone to say why it's racist.
From: http://ballotpedia.org/wiki/index.php/Dead_people_voting
<snip>Dallas County
Melvin Porter, although he died in January 2007, cast a vote in the March 4, 2008 Democratic primary in Dallas County. A subsequent investigation by Texas Watchdog turned up the names of 6,000 dead voters on the Dallas County list of registered voters.[9]
New York
A study by the Poughkeepsie Journal in October 2006 of the state's then-new statewide database found that the list contained as many as 77,000 dead people on its rolls, and that as many as 2,600 of them had cast votes from the grave.
Tennessee
* In 2006, the Tennessee State Senate voted to nullify the election of Ophelia Ford after an investigation revealed that three poll workers had faked votes in her behalf, including at least two votes cast in the name of dead people.
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That's all the homework I'm doing for you - I think I have submitted plenty of proof.
And we haven't even touched on the subject of Motor Voters.....
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