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JonC

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I have seen the sheet. You honestly can with a straight face tell me it's as detailed as your sheet on Lisinopril? Even close?
Yes, it is.

  • Difficulty breathing
  • Swelling of your face and throat
  • A fast heartbeat
  • A bad rash all over your body
  • Dizziness and weakness
  • Severe allergic reactions
  • Myocarditis (inflammation of the heart muscle)
  • Pericarditis (inflammation of the lining outside the heart)
  • Chest pain
  • Shortness of breath
  • Feelings of having a fast-beating, fluttering, or pounding heart
  • These may not be all the possible side effects of the Moderna COVID‑19 Vaccine. Serious and unexpected side effects may occur.
And the patient information also explains the vaccine has not been approved by the FDA (which I guess is a plus for government conspiracy folks) and is for emergency authorization only at this time.
 

JonC

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First hand, I don't know of anyone who died of Covid.
You are a lucky man.

I know of several (most without pre-existing conditions) and several fairly ungodly (under 40).

I also know a couple of people in their early 20's who are dealing with serious health conditions related to a very mild covid case (organ damage, blood clots, strokes).

I guess it would be very easy to dismiss the vaccine if you believe 4.29 million people who died of covid died of other unrelated conditions. I can't pretend because many of those deaths hit home.
 

Reynolds

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Yes, it is.

  • Difficulty breathing
  • Swelling of your face and throat
  • A fast heartbeat
  • A bad rash all over your body
  • Dizziness and weakness
  • Severe allergic reactions
  • Myocarditis (inflammation of the heart muscle)
  • Pericarditis (inflammation of the lining outside the heart)
  • Chest pain
  • Shortness of breath
  • Feelings of having a fast-beating, fluttering, or pounding heart
  • These may not be all the possible side effects of the Moderna COVID‑19 Vaccine. Serious and unexpected side effects may occur.
And the patient information also explains the vaccine has not been approved by the FDA (which I guess is a plus for government conspiracy folks) and is for emergency authorization only at this time.
I have seen the Pfizer sheet. That's kind of odd.
A bit different than what CDC says. COVID-19 Vaccination
 

Reynolds

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You are a lucky man.

I know of several (most without pre-existing conditions) and several fairly ungodly (under 40).

I also know a couple of people in their early 20's who are dealing with serious health conditions related to a very mild covid case (organ damage, blood clots, strokes).

I guess it would be very easy to dismiss the vaccine if you believe 4.29 million people who died of covid died of other unrelated conditions. I can't pretend because many of those deaths hit home.
I don't know what percentage of the 4.29 million died of Covid. You don't either.
Jon. Us death rate per thousand 2019, 8.8.
Us death rate 2020 8.9
It has gone up .1 per year every year since 2011.

Where exactly are all these Covid deaths?
 

JonC

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I don't know what percentage of the 4.29 million died of Covid. You don't either.
Jon. Us death rate per thousand 2019, 8.8.
Us death rate 2020 8.9
It has gone up .1 per year every year since 2011.

Where exactly are all these Covid deaths?
Likewise, we do not know what percentage of people died of the vaccine.
 

Wingman68

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Covid is a seasonal flu. Barely worse than any other year. It replaced this years seasonal flu. The agenda tells us there was no flu this year because of lame pieces of face diapers. We know that is a lie. Seasonal flu always wanes during summer months as it doesn’t survive heat well, but this year…..not so much. Could it be because the vax produces the exact same symptoms as covid? If so, stands to reason that giving more shots will serve to KEEP this going, & that plays well for the global reset.
 

Reynolds

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Likewise, we do not know what percentage of people died of the vaccine.
No. What we do know is the same amount of people died in both years. It increased .1 per thousand just as it has every year back to 2011.
Where are all these Covid deaths, or vaccine deaths? No increase in total deaths, but 500,000 died of Covid? Covid cure cancer? When you look at pure numbers, you can not show me these Covid deaths. It's illogical to try to do so.
 

JonC

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I have seen the Pfizer sheet. That's kind of odd.
A bit different than what CDC says. COVID-19 Vaccination
These information sheets can be accessed from the CDC site..

This is from the Pfizer patient infornation:


Difficulty breathing
Swelling of your face and throat
A fast heartbeat
A bad rash all over your body
Dizziness and weakness

Myocarditis (inflammation of the heart muscle) and pericarditis (inflammation of the lining outside the heart) have occurred in some people who have received the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine.

In most of these people, symptoms began within a few days following receipt of the second dose of the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine.
severe allergic reactions


Non-severe allergic reactions such as rash, itching, hives, or swelling of the face myocarditis (inflammation of the heart muscle), pericarditis (inflammation of the lining outside the heart), injection site pain, tiredness, headache, muscle pain, chills, joint pain, fever, injection site swelling, injection site redness • nausea • feeling unwell, swollen lymph nodes (lymphadenopathy), diarrhea, vomiting and arm pain.

These may not be all the possible side effects of the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine. Serious and unexpected side effects may occur. Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine is still being studied in clinical trials.
 

Reynolds

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These information sheets can be accessed from the CDC site..

This is from the Pfizer patient infornation:


Difficulty breathing
Swelling of your face and throat
A fast heartbeat
A bad rash all over your body
Dizziness and weakness

Myocarditis (inflammation of the heart muscle) and pericarditis (inflammation of the lining outside the heart) have occurred in some people who have received the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine.

In most of these people, symptoms began within a few days following receipt of the second dose of the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine.
severe allergic reactions


Non-severe allergic reactions such as rash, itching, hives, or swelling of the face myocarditis (inflammation of the heart muscle), pericarditis (inflammation of the lining outside the heart), injection site pain, tiredness, headache, muscle pain, chills, joint pain, fever, injection site swelling, injection site redness • nausea • feeling unwell, swollen lymph nodes (lymphadenopathy), diarrhea, vomiting and arm pain.

These may not be all the possible side effects of the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine. Serious and unexpected side effects may occur. Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine is still being studied in clinical trials.
According to CDC, only JJ causes Myocarditis????
 

Wingman68

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FDA Safety Surveillance of COVID-19 Vaccines :
DRAFT Working list of possible adverse event outcomes ***Subject to change***
 Guillain-Barrésyndrome
 Acutedisseminatedencephalomyelitis
 Transversemyelitis
 Encephalitis/myelitis/encephalomyelitis/ meningoencephalitis/meningitis/ encepholapathy
 Convulsions/seizures
 Stroke
 Narcolepsyandcataplexy
 Anaphylaxis
 Acutemyocardialinfarction
 Myocarditis/pericarditis
 Autoimmunedisease
 Deaths
 Pregnancyandbirthoutcomes
 Otheracutedemyelinatingdiseases
 Non-anaphylacticallergicreactions
 Thrombocytopenia
 Disseminatedintravascularcoagulation
 Venousthromboembolism
 Arthritisandarthralgia/jointpain
 Kawasakidisease
 MultisystemInflammatorySyndrome in Children
 Vaccineenhanceddisease

This is what they knew about before it was emergency designated, Oct 2020, from what I’m seeing this list will be bigger now, but mandate anyway? What about the people who have antibodies already? Taking the shot would be ludicrous. Pregnant women. Are they making exceptions for that? Pre-existing conditions that don’t fare well in reaction to the shot? I’m not seeing talk of this, just talk of strong arm tactics.

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JonC

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Covid is a seasonal flu. Barely worse than any other year. It replaced this years seasonal flu. The agenda tells us there was no flu this year because of lame pieces of face diapers. We know that is a lie. Seasonal flu always wanes during summer months as it doesn’t survive heat well, but this year…..not so much. Could it be because the vax produces the exact same symptoms as covid? If so, stands to reason that giving more shots will serve to KEEP this going, & that plays well for the global reset.
COVID is not a seasonal flu. It is caused by a covid virus, NOT influenza.
 

Wingman68

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Influenza is also caused by a virus. The W.H.O. just said covid is not much different even from the common cold.

Here’s a thought, some people still have thoughts, outrageous as that may be, & when the ‘scientific’ community can NOT yet isolate this virus:

“If there is no virus, why are all these people dying?” Aug 3 by Jon Rappoport | NoMoreFakeNews.com


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As my readers know, for the past year I’ve been demonstrating—with much evidence and proof—that the SARS-CoV-2 virus doesn’t exist.

Some people reply: “So why are all these people dying?” “What is the cause?”

I’ve answered those questions at length. I’m going to answer them again.

First of all, if someone says, “I know a family where three people died, so what else could it be, besides the virus,” the answer is:

I have no idea why these three people died. I’m not doing remote viewing. The person who asked the question has no idea, either.

But because we have no idea, that doesn’t mean it must be the virus. Think it through. It could be exposure to an environmental toxin. It could be the effects of a vaccine. It could be several different reasons acting in concert.

But that person says, “It wasn’t a toxin or a vaccine. They were all healthy until last month.” How does he know it wasn’t a toxin? And again, just because we don’t know, there is no reason to skip from there to: “It must have been the virus.”

Does “we don’t know” equal “the virus”? No.

Does “we don’t know” equal “let’s accept the official propaganda about the virus”? No.

Does “we don’t know” equal “let’s accept the preponderance of opinion”? No.

All right. Moving on—the most important thing to know about so-called COVID is: THERE IS NO SINGLE CAUSE OF ALL THESE PEOPLE DYING.

It isn’t one cause.

I’ve been explaining this basic principle to people since 1988 (the example then was AIDS), and it’s the hardest piece of truth to deliver with success, because…

People are always looking for THE ONE.

They want THE ONE THING.

They’re predisposed (hypnotized, conditioned) to demand THE ONE CAUSE.

“If it isn’t the virus, what is it?”

There is no “it.”

The basic con involves stitching together a quilt of people dying for different reasons, and inventing a story that makes it seem they are all dying for one reason. That’s the game. That’s the trick. That’s the sleight-of-hand.

Now I’m going to list the main reasons “all these people are dying.” I’ve covered each reason, in detail, in previous articles. Here I’m just giving the summary version.

ONE: The relabeling of flu-like illness as COVID. (Estimate—there are 1 billion flu cases a year, 300,000-500,000 flu deaths per year, worldwide)

TWO: The relabeling of pneumonia as COVID. (Estimate—there are 1.7 million adult pneumonia deaths per year, worldwide)

THREE: Relabeling lung infections. (Estimate—there are 3 million chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD) deaths per year, worldwide)

Note: Air pollution is a significant cause of death in the above three categories.

FOUR: Writing “COVID” as the cause of death on patient files, when it’s clear the patient died for some other reason.

FIVE: Terrifying (with a COVID diagnosis) and isolating old people who are already ill and frail with a variety of long-term conditions. These people then fold up and die. This is murder.

SIX: Killing old people with devastating and toxic treatments—ventilators plus sedation, and remdesivir.

SEVEN: Prior toxic vaccine campaigns.

EIGHT: The COVID vaccines.

NINE: Note—wherever a person has symptoms that resemble the list of so-called COVID symptoms (cough, chills, fever, lung congestion, pneumonia), a positive PCR test seals the deal for a diagnosis of COVID-19. The PCR test is meaningless, for many reasons, and therefore spits out false-positives like water from a fire house. Since the SARS-CoV-2 virus doesn’t exist, the test has zero validity from the get-go.

In different areas, in different pockets and clusters of people, there may be other reasons why people labeled “COVID” are getting sick and dying. None of these deaths has anything to with a fake virus called SARS-Cov-2.

COVID is a complete fraud. It was a fraud from the beginning.
 

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I have to agree with Rand Paul's alleged rant this weekend about the vaccines, encouraging people to stand together against this medical tyranny! He's right...they CAN'T arrest us all...they can't keep all of the kids out of school for any period of time. It's just not feasible. I know my Pop got his vaccines at the VA, and they had to keep rescheduling. Now they're testing him for blood clots...UGH! Why can't people just ask what the side effects are and get the truth??? I was given this list of questions to ask when they try to force this vaccine on people.... I think it's a valid thing to use..one's NOT declining...they're asking for clarification and guarantees the government will not want to give.

Covid vaccine
If you are being forced to Vax in order to keep your job, here's a
great way to handle it.
The secret is NOT to refuse it…
A friend in the NHS is being pressured to take the jib.
‘I write with regard to the matter of potential covid vaccine and my
desire to be fully informed and appraised of ALL facts before going
ahead.
I’d be most grateful if you could please provide the following
information, in accordance with statutory legal requirements:
1. Can you please advise me of the approved legal status of any
vaccine and if it is experimental?
2. Can you please provide details and assurances that the vaccine has
been fully, independently and rigorously tested against control groups
and the subsequent outcomes of those tests?
3. Can you please advise of the full list of contents of the vaccine I
am to receive and if any are toxic to the body?
4. Can you please fully advise of all the adverse reactions associated
with this vaccine since it’s introduction?
5. Can you please confirm that the vaccine you are advocating is NOT
‘experimental mRNA gene altering therapy’?
6. Can you please confirm that I will not be under any duress from
yourselves as my employers, in compliance with the Nuremberg Code?
7. Can you please advise me of the likely risk of fatality, should I
be unfortunate to contract Covid 19 and the likelihood of recovery?
Once I have received the above information in full and I am satisfied
that there is NO threat to my health, I will be happy to accept your
offer to receive the treatment, but with certain conditions - namely
that:
1. You confirm that I will suffer no harm.
2. Following acceptance of this, the offer must be signed by a fully
qualified doctor who will take full legal and financial responsibility
for any injuries occurring to myself, and/or from any interactions by
authorized personnel regarding these procedures.
3. In the event that I should have to decline the offer of
vaccination, please confirm that it will not compromise my position
and that I will not suffer prejudice and discrimination as a result?
I would also advise that my inalienable rights are reserved.’
The point being though, is that they CANNOT provide that information
but you’ve NOT refused…
 

Reynolds

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No. I did not look up the JJ vacvibe, but both the Moderna and Phizer can per the CDC info and the pharmaceutical company sheets.
I posted you the main page from CDC. It says only JJ causes those. If buried behind that they say different, do you see an honesty issue there?
 

JonC

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I posted you the main page from CDC. It says only JJ causes those. If buried behind that they say different, do you see an honesty issue there?
Do I see an issue? No.

You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink.

The CDC has not made any vaccines. Also, there are several. When I was put on blood pressure medicine my doctor did not go through all of the side effects for all of the choices. When I filled the prescription nobody went over the info, but (like with the vaccine) I was provided an info sheet.

Why should the covid vaccine information be any different?

If people want to make informed decisions about taking, or not taking, the vaccine then they would read at minimum the documentation for the vaccine they will take.

I read it before deciding. I also talked to my doctor before deciding. But anti-vax folk seem to ignore the information, claim it is not there, and make an uninformed decision to skip the vaccine.

It's back to Nelson and his telescope.
 

Reynolds

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Do I see an issue? No.

You can lead a horse to water but you can't make it drink.

The CDC has not made any vaccines. Also, there are several. When I was put on blood pressure medicine my doctor did not go through all of the side effects for all of the choices. When I filled the prescription nobody went over the info, but (like with the vaccine) I was provided an info sheet.

Why should the covid vaccine information be any different?

If people want to make informed decisions about taking, or not taking, the vaccine then they would read at minimum the documentation for the vaccine they will take.

I read it before deciding. I also talked to my doctor before deciding. But anti-vax folk seem to ignore the information, claim it is not there, and make an uninformed decision to skip the vaccine.

It's back to Nelson and his telescope.
And you refuse to look at some of the good evidence. I try to look at it all. I will admit that a pile of the antivax stuff is nutty as a fruitcake on steroids. A lot of it is credible. You refuse to look at the credible sources.
You sayb I have seen with my eyes,..... I have not personally seen.......
Well, I guess Russia ain't got nukes, because I have never seen them in person.
 

Reynolds

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And Jon, you still have not explained to me how all these healthy people died of Covid, yet the the total death rate did not change. It went up the same .1 per thousand it has every year for last 10 years. In real pandemics, the total death rate spikes. What's your reasoning for that?
 

JonC

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And you refuse to look at some of the good evidence. I try to look at it all. I will admit that a pile of the antivax stuff is nutty as a fruitcake on steroids. A lot of it is credible. You refuse to look at the credible sources.
You sayb I have seen with my eyes,..... I have not personally seen.......
Well, I guess Russia ain't got nukes, because I have never seen them in person.
Click on the side effects link on the covid vaccine (CDC website).

Here is one example - they go into a lot of detail:

  • Myocarditis and pericarditis after COVID-19 vaccination are rare. As of July 30, 2021, VAERS has received 1,249 reports of myocarditis or pericarditis among people ages 30 and younger who received COVID-19 vaccine. Most cases have been reported after mRNA COVID-19 vaccination (Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna), particularly in male adolescents and young adults. Through follow-up, including medical record reviews, CDC and FDA have confirmed 716 reports of myocarditis or pericarditis. CDC and its partners are investigating these reports to assess whether there is a relationship to COVID-19 vaccination. Learn more about COVID-19 vaccines and myocarditis.
 
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