actually, ANY whio denies that he was God manifested in human flesh is teach heresy!
Jesus was/is man, with natures of God and sinless Human, dual natured, and as such, he was NOT the same as we are at birth!
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actually, ANY whio denies that he was God manifested in human flesh is teach heresy!
Jesus was/is man, with natures of God and sinless Human, dual natured, and as such, he was NOT the same as we are at birth!
I believe it is death that is passed down through Adam.
But every man (living soul) is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. The living soul is flesh and blood 1C15:45,50
and the life (soul) is in the blood thereof Lev17:14 Christ poured out his soul unto death Isa53:12
Living souls live by the lust of the flesh. Jesus, a living soul, flesh and blood said that he did not do anything according to his will but of the will of the Father. I believe he could do this because he was generated in the virgin Mary by Spirit the God, Holy. The Holy Spirit of God his Father was in him until the sin of the world was laid upon him separating him from the Father and his soul was poured out unto death when he said, Father unto your hands I commend (commit the keeping of) my spirit.
The once living soul Jesus was dead. To be alive again he would need to be renewed with the Spirit. The Spirit is life and gives life John 6:63 & 2Cor3:6 His soul dead in Hades. The soul that sins it shall die; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.
Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.
Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
That is what lustful flesh and blood living souls do. It was how they were created as flesh and blood with the lust of the flesh. Gen 3:6 And when the woman saw that the tree [was] good for food, and that it [was] pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make [one] wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.
Why did God do this this way? Why was the Lamb slain before the first man Adam was created?
Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;
I have never denied Jesus is God, but there is no warning against this. However, there is a warning against folks that teach error like you.
1 Jhn 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
I have already posted scripture that Jesus took on the nature of the seed of Abraham (not Adam). Abraham was born AFTER the so-called fall. Jesus could not have inherited the ability to be tempted from God the Father, because God cannot be tempted with evil.
Jam 1:13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:
Jesus was tempted by Satan to turn stones into bread in the wilderness. This was a true temptation because Jesus was hungry like any man would be that had not eaten in 40 days. You cannot tempt God in heaven like this, as he does not get hungry or have any other bodily need. Therefore Jesus could have only inherited this from his mother Mary.
You need to stick to what you are good at, starting multiple meaningless new threads designed to instigate trouble between brethren.
jesus bypassed the effects of the fall, as he was sinless in nature, JUST as Adam was at his creation!
jesus was tempted, but NOT as we are, as he is God and sinless humanity, so would be tempted but NOT able to sin!
Matt22:37-39
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http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/BTP/Dr_MR_DeHaan/Chemistry/04.htm
BLOOD IS PASSED DOWN FROM THE FATHER NOT MOTHER THAT IS WHY JESUS HAD NO SIN!
The Chemistry Of The Blood
"The life Is In The Blood
M.R. DeHaan, M.D.
JESUS SINLESS
The Bible teaches in addition that Jesus was a SINLESS man. While all men from Adam to this day are born with Adam’s sinful nature, and, therefore, are subject to the curse and eternal death, the Man Jesus was without sin and, therefore, DEATHLESS until He took the sin of others upon Himself and died THEIR death. Now while Jesus was of Adam's race according to the flesh yet He did not inherit Adam's nature. This alone will prove that sin is not transmitted through the flesh. It is transmitted through the blood and not the flesh, and even though Jesus was of the "Seed of David according to the flesh" this could not make him a sinner.
God has made of ONE BLOOD ALL THE NATIONS of the earth. Sinful heredity is transmitted through the blood and not through the flesh. Even though Jesus, therefore, received His flesh, His body from a sinful race, He could still be sinless as long as not a drop blood of this sinful race entered His veins. God must find a way whereby Jesus could be perfectly human according to the flesh and yet not have the blood of sinful humanity. That was the problem solved by the virgin birth.
ORIGIN OF THE BLOOD
It is now definitely known that the blood which flows in an unborn babies arteries and veins is not derived from the mother but is produced within the body of the fetus itself only after the introduction of the male sperm. An unfertilized ovum can never develop blood since the female egg does not by itself contain the elements essential for the production of this blood. It is only after the male element has entered the ovum that blood can develop. As a very simple illustration of this, think of the egg of a hen. An unfertilized egg is just an ovum on a much larger scale than the human ovum. You may incubate this unfertilized hens egg but it will never develop. It will decay and become rotten, but no chick will result. Let that egg be fertilized by the introduction of the male sperm and incubation will bring to light the presence of LIFE IN THAT EGG. After a few hours it visibly develops. In a little while red streaks occur in the egg denoting the presence of Blood. This can never occur and does never occur until THE MALE SPERM HAS BEEN UNITED WITH THE FEMALE OVUM. The male element has added life to the egg. Life is in the blood according to scripture, for Moses says:
"For the life of the flesh is in the blood." (Leviticus 17:11). "For it is the life of all flesh; the blood of it is for the life thereof."
Leviticus 17:14
Since there is no life in the egg until the male sperm unites with it, and the life is in the blood, it follows that the male sperm is the source of the blood, the seed of life. Think it through.
NO MOTHERS BLOOD
For this very reason, it is unnecessary that a single drop of blood be given to the developing embryo in the womb of the mother. Such is the case according to science. The mother provides the fetus (the unborn developing infant) with the nutritive elements for the building of that little body in the secret of her bosom, but all the blood which forms in that little body is formed in the embryo itself and only as a result of the contribution of the male parent. From the time of conception to the time of birth of the infant not ONE SINGLE DROP OF BLOOD ever passes from mother to child. The placenta that mass of temporary tissue known better as “afterbirth,” forming the union between mother and child is so constructed that although all the soluble nutritive elements such as proteins, fats, carbohydrates, salts, minerals and even antibodies pass freely from mother to child and the waste products of the child's metabolism are passed back to the mothers circulation, no actual interchange of a single drop of blood ever occurs normally. All the blood which is in that child is produced within the child itself as a result of the introduction of the male sperm. The mother contributes no blood at all.
TESTIMONY OF SCIENCE
Now for the sake of some of the skeptics who may doubt these statements let me quote from a few reliable authorities. In Howell’s Textbook of Physiology, Second Edition, pages 885 and 886, I read:
"For the purpose of understanding its general functions it is sufficient to recall that the placenta consists essentially of vascular chorionic papillae from the foetus (the unborn child) bathed in the large blood spaces of the decidual membrane of the mother. The fetal and maternal blood DO NOT COME INTO ACTUAL CONTACT. THEY ARE SEPARATED FROM EACH OTHER by the walls of the fetal blood vessels and the epithelial layers of the chorionic villae."
Or let me quote from Williams’ Practice of Obstetrics, Third Edition, page 133. Here I quote,
"The fetal blood in the vessels of the chorionic villae AT NO TIME GAINS ACCESS TO THE MATERNAL BLOOD in the intervillous space, BEING SEPARATED FROM ONE ANOTHER by the double layer of chorionic epithelium."
And from page 136 of the same recognized textbook I quote,
"Normally there is no communication between the fetal blood and the maternal blood."
Now for the benefit of those of you who may be nurses, let me quote from a textbook which is familiar to you. Quoting from "Nurse’s Handbook of Obstetrics" by Louise Zabriskie, R.N., Fifth Edition, page 75:
"When the circulation of the blood begins in the embryo, it remains separate and distinct from that of the mother. All food and waste material which are interchanged between the embryo and the mother must pass through the blood vessel walls from one circulation to the other."
And from page 82 of the same book --
"The fetus receives its nourishment and oxygen from the mothers blood into its own through the medium of the placenta. The fetal heart pumps blood through the arteries of the umbilical cord into the placental vessels, which, looping in and out of the uterine tissue and lying in close contact with the uterine vessels, permit a diffusion, through their walls, of waste products from child to mother and of nourishment and oxygen from mother to child. As has been said, this interchange is effected by the process of osmosis, and there is no direct mingling of the two blood currents. In other words, no maternal blood actually flows to the fetus, nor is there any direct fetal blood flow to the mother."
BLOOD IS PASSED DOWN FROM THE FATHER NOT MOTHER THAT IS WHY JESUS HAD NO SIN!
The Chemistry Of The Blood
"The life Is In The Blood
M.R. DeHaan, M.D.
JESUS SINLESS
The Bible teaches in addition that Jesus was a SINLESS man. While all men from Adam to this day are born with Adam’s sinful nature, and, therefore, are subject to the curse and eternal death, the Man Jesus was without sin and, therefore, DEATHLESS until He took the sin of others upon Himself and died THEIR death. Now while Jesus was of Adam's race according to the flesh yet He did not inherit Adam's nature. This alone will prove that sin is not transmitted through the flesh. It is transmitted through the blood and not the flesh, and even though Jesus was of the "Seed of David according to the flesh" this could not make him a sinner.
God has made of ONE BLOOD ALL THE NATIONS of the earth. Sinful heredity is transmitted through the blood and not through the flesh. Even though Jesus, therefore, received His flesh, His body from a sinful race, He could still be sinless as long as not a drop blood of this sinful race entered His veins. God must find a way whereby Jesus could be perfectly human according to the flesh and yet not have the blood of sinful humanity. That was the problem solved by the virgin birth.
ORIGIN OF THE BLOOD
It is now definitely known that the blood which flows in an unborn babies arteries and veins is not derived from the mother but is produced within the body of the fetus itself only after the introduction of the male sperm. An unfertilized ovum can never develop blood since the female egg does not by itself contain the elements essential for the production of this blood. It is only after the male element has entered the ovum that blood can develop. As a very simple illustration of this, think of the egg of a hen. An unfertilized egg is just an ovum on a much larger scale than the human ovum. You may incubate this unfertilized hens egg but it will never develop. It will decay and become rotten, but no chick will result. Let that egg be fertilized by the introduction of the male sperm and incubation will bring to light the presence of LIFE IN THAT EGG. After a few hours it visibly develops. In a little while red streaks occur in the egg denoting the presence of Blood. This can never occur and does never occur until THE MALE SPERM HAS BEEN UNITED WITH THE FEMALE OVUM. The male element has added life to the egg. Life is in the blood according to scripture, for Moses says:
"For the life of the flesh is in the blood." (Leviticus 17:11). "For it is the life of all flesh; the blood of it is for the life thereof."
Leviticus 17:14
Since there is no life in the egg until the male sperm unites with it, and the life is in the blood, it follows that the male sperm is the source of the blood, the seed of life. Think it through.
NO MOTHERS BLOOD
For this very reason, it is unnecessary that a single drop of blood be given to the developing embryo in the womb of the mother. Such is the case according to science. The mother provides the fetus (the unborn developing infant) with the nutritive elements for the building of that little body in the secret of her bosom, but all the blood which forms in that little body is formed in the embryo itself and only as a result of the contribution of the male parent. From the time of conception to the time of birth of the infant not ONE SINGLE DROP OF BLOOD ever passes from mother to child. The placenta that mass of temporary tissue known better as “afterbirth,” forming the union between mother and child is so constructed that although all the soluble nutritive elements such as proteins, fats, carbohydrates, salts, minerals and even antibodies pass freely from mother to child and the waste products of the child's metabolism are passed back to the mothers circulation, no actual interchange of a single drop of blood ever occurs normally. All the blood which is in that child is produced within the child itself as a result of the introduction of the male sperm. The mother contributes no blood at all.
TESTIMONY OF SCIENCE
Now for the sake of some of the skeptics who may doubt these statements let me quote from a few reliable authorities. In Howell’s Textbook of Physiology, Second Edition, pages 885 and 886, I read:
"For the purpose of understanding its general functions it is sufficient to recall that the placenta consists essentially of vascular chorionic papillae from the foetus (the unborn child) bathed in the large blood spaces of the decidual membrane of the mother. The fetal and maternal blood DO NOT COME INTO ACTUAL CONTACT. THEY ARE SEPARATED FROM EACH OTHER by the walls of the fetal blood vessels and the epithelial layers of the chorionic villae."
Or let me quote from Williams’ Practice of Obstetrics, Third Edition, page 133. Here I quote,
"The fetal blood in the vessels of the chorionic villae AT NO TIME GAINS ACCESS TO THE MATERNAL BLOOD in the intervillous space, BEING SEPARATED FROM ONE ANOTHER by the double layer of chorionic epithelium."
And from page 136 of the same recognized textbook I quote,
"Normally there is no communication between the fetal blood and the maternal blood."
Now for the benefit of those of you who may be nurses, let me quote from a textbook which is familiar to you. Quoting from "Nurse’s Handbook of Obstetrics" by Louise Zabriskie, R.N., Fifth Edition, page 75:
"When the circulation of the blood begins in the embryo, it remains separate and distinct from that of the mother. All food and waste material which are interchanged between the embryo and the mother must pass through the blood vessel walls from one circulation to the other."
And from page 82 of the same book --
"The fetus receives its nourishment and oxygen from the mothers blood into its own through the medium of the placenta. The fetal heart pumps blood through the arteries of the umbilical cord into the placental vessels, which, looping in and out of the uterine tissue and lying in close contact with the uterine vessels, permit a diffusion, through their walls, of waste products from child to mother and of nourishment and oxygen from mother to child. As has been said, this interchange is effected by the process of osmosis, and there is no direct mingling of the two blood currents. In other words, no maternal blood actually flows to the fetus, nor is there any direct fetal blood flow to the mother."
from http://arbl.cvmbs.colostate.edu/hbooks/cmb/cells/pmemb/osmosis.html
Osmosis is the net movement of water across a selectively permeable membrane driven by a difference in solute concentrations on the two sides of the membrane. A selectively permiable membrane is one that allows unrestricted passage of water, but not solute molecules or ions.
NOTE "BUT NOT SOLUTE MOLECULES OR IONS."
Osmosis is the net movement of water across a selectively permeable membrane driven by a difference in solute concentrations on the two sides of the membrane. A selectively permiable membrane is one that allows unrestricted passage of water, but not solute molecules or ions.
NOTE "BUT NOT SOLUTE MOLECULES OR IONS."
Total falsehood, the scriptures clearly say Jesus took on the nature of the seed of Abraham (post-fall), not Adam.
Heb 2:16 For verily he took not on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.
17 Wherefore in all things it behoved him to be made like unto his brethren, that he might be a merciful and faithful high priest in things pertaining to God, to make reconciliation for the sins of the people.
The scriptures say Jesus took on the nature of post-fall Abraham, not Adam as you falsely post. He was made like unto his brethren the Jews in ALL THINGS.
You have been shown this many times but post error anyway.
the Bible states that Jesus was born in the "likeness" of, NOT exactness of human flesh!
Jesus was and is unique, as he was Virgin born, and was ONLY born human to be without a sin nature!
Jesus was/is both natures of Deity and sinless man!
To deny this is heresy!
evangelist-7
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I'm with you, Yeshua ...
I've always believed likeness is not exactness.
Jesus had to be sinless to die in our place.
And He could not have had our sin nature to accomplish this.
One tiny sin would have disqualified Him.
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Clarify this for me will you - - -
Was Jesus fully 100% human or part human/mostly God?
Rob
evangelist-7
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I was just in Iznik, Turkey (Nicea).
Were those boys at Nicea correct when they insisted that Jesus was 100% human and 100% God?
How many of those boys were born-again? IMO, none had the baptism with the Holy Spirit.
The Word (the Logos), i.e. God, "became" the human Jesus.
How could a human being actually be 100% God, so IMO this human was only partially God.
Can God bleed, etc.? So, not 100% God.
Jesus could not have a human father ... He had to have the Holy Spirit play the role of His Father.
So He wouldn't inherit man's sin nature.
IMO, Jesus wasn't really fully man ... w/o man's sin nature.
I dunno, maybe it's all semantics.
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No, Jesus was born with the nature of the seed of Abraham (not Adam), and I showed you directly from the Word of God.
And whoever denies that Jesus had a 100% human nature is antichrist.
1 Jhn 4:2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
It is only because folks believe the false doctrine of Original Sin invented by Augustine and the RCC that they have a problem. The scriptures say God has made all men upright, but all men go astray and become sinners.
Ecc 7:29 Lo, this only have I found, that God hath made man upright; but they have sought out many inventions.
The word "they" is plural and points directly back to the word "man" showing this verse is speaking of all men, not just Adam.
All men are made upright, but we are also flesh with lusts and desires that lust against the spirit, but no man is sinful until he willfully and knowingly transgresses God's law.
Jesus came in the flesh and had the same lusts and desires we have, he was tempted in ALL POINTS as we are, yet without sin (Heb 4:15).
If folks would learn the scriptures and that OS is a false man-made doctrine, then they would have no trouble believing that Jesus had the nature of the seed of Abraham as the scriptures say.
But because you believe Augustine's false doctrine, you deny that Jesus truly came in the flesh. This is the spirit of antichrist.
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In the geneology of Christ he is traced to both Abraham and Adam. He is the "seed of the woman" as much as the seed of Abraham as well as the seed of David which are all the seed of Adam.
First, John is repudiating gnosticism that denied that Christ and the human Jesus of Nazereth were one and the same. However, in the sense you are applying this text you are guilty of violating. Human nature was created but once by God and that was in the garden. When God created man he created him as he did all other living things with the ability to reproduce after his own kind. Human nature is passed down through reproduction of like kind from Adam just as all monkeys come from the first monkeys.
You have been exposed and repudiated for your false doctrine repeatedly on this forum but you keep spouting it out. Just proves a man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still.
evangelist-7
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What I said is a matter or record. Every text he has used has been addressed and showed to be clearly perverted, jerked out of context.
However, by your response, I take it that you also embrace the same false doctrine.
Are you denying that Jesus was sinless, had no sin nature within him?
He simply denies any human is born with a sin nature and that Christ was thus born with the very nature that he wrongly imaginess every human being is born with - a sinless nature.