Was Jesus A Man Before the Incarnation?

See...I knew you never read my posts before you reply

 

He certainly didn't have the carnal body when He left here going back to Heaven and He also will forever exist as Jesus Christ, God and Holy Spirit.

I think we got into this discussion once before about Jesus and can't remember exactly what the argument was about.

 

I think what I was trying to say, when Lasarus was dying they had to send for Jesus. He stayed two days where he was then went to bring Lazarus from the dead. He was not everywhere at the sametime.

 

Yea, but the LORD was.

He had to call upon God to Glorify Him again as He was before to raise Lazarus.

 

I believe He could have displayed any of His "omni's" whenever He wanted to. On this occasion He was certainly omniscient. I also recall the times He "hid Himself" from the crowds that were trying to kill Him. Have you ever thought about what that means?

 

Your argument is against the Word of God...not me. Maybe the mormons have one thing right, after all, even a blind squirrel finds a nut from time to time. Please tell me what formless spirit has a face, feet, back and hands. Did God not walk with Adam in the Garden? The Bible doesn't tell us He floated with Adam. How can we be made in the "image" of God...without an image to follow off of? Please don't use the excuse that "image" pertains to everything not physical, either, as the burden of proof would be on you to prove such, which cannot be done.

 

It has not yet appeared what we shall be like but we know we shall be like Him. We try to explain some things that haven't been given to us sometime don't you think.

"14": His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire;

"15": And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters.

Depends what a body includes. He don't have a body like our natural body that is for sure but seems as if He does have "hinder quarters", head, hair, feet, able to walk so must have legs, eyes, mouth and a voice. His arms are outstretched "saying come unto me". Again, we are trying to tell something we don't know but then we shall see Him face to face.

Saying it was Christ in the garden don't change anything for He said if you have seen me you have seen the Father.

There is a Celestrial body and we haven't seen one of them yet.

 

I think it is possable that it was Christ that was walking in the garden. I also think the Bible uses alot of symbolisem to speak of the Father who can not be described in words. Face, Hand. I dont think the Father has a body or a form He is Spirit.

The Mormons believe that the Father has a body "Just like ours" made of flesh and blood. Remember they think that God is a title and not a personage. They think he is one of us was a human who is further advanced and we can advance to be like him. They look at the word god like a job title. Dr., Officer, Sgt. they see god as a job that is given and several people can acheave.

I dont think any of us want to agree with that.

 

I believe the Bible gives us plenty of clues that Christ had a body prior to being incarnated as a human being. We know that after He rose from the dead He ate, walked, talked, and was touched by Thomas. Do we gather from any place in Scripture that Christ looked something other than how He looked while human? No. We will have bodies one day that are like Christ's. They will be very real bodies...not spirit bodies floating around on clouds. Heaven is a very real place...New Jerusalem is a very real city, and the New Earth will be a very real planet. We can't assume that heavenly bodies (that of angels and Christ) are not real bodies, as there is plenty within Scripture that states otherwise.

 

It has not yet appeared what we shall be like but we know we shall be like Him. We try to explain some things that haven't been given to us sometime don't you think.

"14": His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire;

"15": And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters.

Depends what a body includes. He don't have a body like our natural body that is for sure but seems as if He does have "hinder quarters", head, hair, feet, able to walk so must have legs, eyes, mouth and a voice. His arms are outstretched "saying come unto me". Again, we are trying to tell something we don't know but then we shall see Him face to face.

Saying it was Christ in the garden don't change anything for He said if you have seen me you have seen the Father.

There is a Celestrial body and we haven't seen one of them yet.

 

Jesus has a body...Jesus is God.

It's odd that you separate the Two. Let US make man in OUR image.

"God does not have a body" is not an answer. Can you supply the passage that states God has wings?

You can't be serious! You don't know how God walked? Answer: feet! I think it's easy to explain! He did manifest His presence in "some way"...a body!

You worry me in that you separate Jesus from God. Jesus is God. Jesus has a body. God has a body. You cannot separate that fact.

 

Prove it, please, that if Jesus has always had a body it means He was created. Is Jesus omnipresent?

 

Ummm...it is the issue. You claim Jesus could not have a body prior to being incarnated as a human being. What did the angels say when Jesus ascended into Heaven..."whoa! Nice new body, Jesus!"

 

Man, I thought my answer was really good but must not of been. :laugh:

 

Very true, Sister Marcia!! The false doctrine that teaches that Jesus was a man before His incarnation reaks of Mormanism!!!