Was Jesus A Man Before the Incarnation?

Funny way NOT to debate.

Another way to not to debate, is not to post, till you find a thread you want to debate on.

Just a idea.

I am not taking sides between you two, But frankly, I have yet to see you prove anything. Your statements are true, but not addressing the point is...well.....pointless.

I could also make this statment...

Which is ture, addresses God, but would saying nothing about Jesus as a man.

This is the same as your...
"The same yesterday today and forever" Which has nothing to do with Jesus as a man.

 

The Word of God is on your side, huh? I've heard that one before. The grace period before being ignored by me may be running thin for this junior member.

BJ

 

As I stated it's your position and your debate.. This does not edify the believer, nor does it draw us closer to God. It could cause a stumbling block for a babe in the Lord, thus I will have no part of, I'll step down.. You Win.. May God enrich you with His truths and understanding..:thumbs:

 

Stop by and share your great wisdom again sometime.

But you may not want to post pointless words as you edify for this may be a stumbling block to some.


Good to meet you...


In Christ...James

 

I really don't understand what you need me to clarify. I answered your question. The term "man" is used in terms of angels and THE Angel of God. It's not something I made up, but what Scripture clearly teaches...

Gen 18:1 Then the LORD appeared to Abraham at the oaks of Mamre while he was sitting in the entrance of his tent during the heat of the day.
Gen 18:2 He looked up, and he saw three men standing near him. When he saw them, he ran from the entrance of the tent to meet them and bowed to the ground.
Gen 18:3 Then he said, "My lord, if I have found favor in your sight, please do not go on past your servant.

 

I'm sorry, but your position is not biblical. I have shown from the above verse I posted that our Lord did appear as "man" prior to being born. If God was bound by time...our time...your view might be true, but God is not. He is omnipresent / omnitemporal...outside of time. He does work inside of time, as you mention being born, but He is not bound by that. Christ exists in the past, now and the future all at the same time. This is true ubiquity, what omnipresence is.

 

Hello webdog,


To get a better understanding, why do you feel this is Jesus?

 

"honey" gone :laugh: :applause: :wavey: :wavey:

 

It's clear the Lord visited Abraham. Don't you agree?

 

Questions...can man see God the Father...and live? Can man see the Holy Spirit? Jesus is the only one of the Godhead we can conclude that men have had physical contact with...and lived.

 

There was no Jesus befor the incarnation. There was Lord, Christ but Jesus was the man born of Mary, the body of flesh that Christ took, made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death.

 

No, I do not agree. It says "Then the LORD appeared to Abraham"

This is why I asked...Why do you think this is Jesus?

 

I agree 100% Bob. More then just what you said....this is not "Lord"...but "LORD" which means it was God the Father. Anytime you see LORD in all Caps this is the name of God, or Jehovah. This is speaking of God the Father.

I do not mean to be too hard on webdog, for many people over look this because of the next two verse...

Verse 2 and 3...

We still need to deal with the 3 men in verse 2..and the word Lord in verse 3.

The word Lord in verse 3 is Adonay which is the title only used of God. This could be the Son of God or God the Father. Not sure about the Holy Spirit. Maybe you can help me on this Bob...Can Lord be used as a title to the Holy Spirit? I do not know.

But I do know that it can be used of both the Father and the Son and if its the same subject of verse one then it is God the Father. Now..this does have another meaning, if you hold that the 3 men are The 3 persons of the Godhead. This is one meaning, but there is another also.

But we are in agreement on this Bob. :thumbsup:

 

Oh, I think the Lord appeared in many forms such as Wisdom, The Word, the Cloud, The Rock, The Tree of Life but as Jesus that was for one purpose and that is the Salvation of man from sin.

 

I agree..Bob.

Bob, what do you know about the word Lord as used as a title for the Holy Spirit?

I do not know of it used this way, but I may be wrong. Just wanting to know if you knew. Or...for that matter...if any one knew.

 

All I know James is it is part of the Godhead and we call the other two Lord.

 

The word Lord, and the fact that Abraham bowed before Him. We see in numerous places "The Angel of the Lord", who is known as deity, not just "an" angel.

 

Not to belabor the point, but it was bugging me, so I just looked it up and Lord is a title of the Holy Spirit as well. This is something I had just never thought of before. Now I know.

Jdg 6:34 But the Spirit of the LORD came upon Gideon, and he blew a trumpet; and Abiezer was gathered after him.

"Spirit of the LORD" is used 90 some times in the KJV.


Sorry to get off track...but it was bugging me.

OK...back to the subject.